a Political observation about Islam <another rant>

[Jmac00]

Is it just me, or are Muslims/Islam the most cunning political operatives ever? Let me explain.

As far as Im concerned, Islam is NOT a religion, It is a political, militaristic doctrine. Muslims believe the Women are shit. They believe women should be covered head to toe and they should not be seen nor heard. They are property with no redeeming value. Yet, Islam seems to promote women to take political office in America. Why don't Muslim men run for office? Is it because Muslim men are to threatening? Are Muslims smart enough to recognize that Muslim men seem to be a threat, and women are not? Muslims are willing to let Muslim women 'bend' Islamic law in order for them to run for political office, ie: don't have to wear head gear, or cover completely?

The Congress now has more Muslims in positions of power than ever before. I see this as a serious threat to our nation that no one else seems to recognize. These women promote Islam more than America's values, They HATE AMERICA, yet they some how, get elected to office? Are American's at a point where the populace just doesn't care. Or is it that young Americans actually see Islam as better way of life?

Are the Iman's smart enough to let the women take the lead, or more correctly, the Iman's are directing Muslim women to take the lead, and once they have a majority in political power, the men move in and take control and implement Sharia law?

Islam is a patient controlling force, they are willing to let time be their friend. They will use our laws against us. In two or three generations, will America, still be "America" or am I being paranoid and reading more into this perceived threat than I should?

Am I Islamophobic? Yes, kind of. At my age, I doubt I will ever have to deal with any real threat, but future generations may stand up one day and say "why didn't you stop them"

 

[Day444]

Wow.

 

[Criticalt]

A few points......
There are entire cities in the US where every business is Muslim. The signs for these businesses are written in Arabic with zero english translations. These businesses are meant for "their" people only.

There are now 100s of thousands of Muslims in the US who have no plan of assimilating. They only fly their flags and home school their children where they teach the Quran and their beliefs and nothing about America.....except how horrible it is.

Many parts of the Quran talks about defeating non believers. It says if you cant beat the enemy with military might, then move in and breed them out. Many Muslim families in the US are having 10 or more children. Many Muslim girls as young as 13 are getting pregnant and having baby after baby.

Look at many countries in Europe.
The overtaking of the earth has begun.
Call me what you will, in 50 years, Muslims will be the majority in the US and the world.

With the US liberals trying to destroy christianity and propping up Islam as the religion that is "off limits" to offend, our country will change.

Did you know that some parasites convince their host into believing the parasite is harmless, or even helpful?

 

[Paxal]

Political correctness is the parasite convincing the host that there is nothing wrong.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

all point well made Jmac and its though provoking to what ive been starting to think to myself. I think you are definately onto something. America now feels its ok and its not a "religion" of peace as many say. no peace in islam..all talk of Jihads and what not. i think our right. its more a way of like military indoctrine than a religion and I put some merit in what you say. they are gonna destroy us by infiltration not direct conflict and when happens if any real americans left everyone will be going whaaaaa. and wonder how it happened cuz we are letting it happen. WE are voting them in. I think how can people not see this but many are all worried about what they gonna get for free or what not.

we are only a couple generations away from this or anything like this....a couple generations away from losing the 2nd amendment. a couple generations away from no republicans....and as hard as I am in my ways my kids colleges turned them all into Bernie lovers!!! its crazy....

I am thinking your theory is on the money. when enough of these women in the men will pull the strings and again destroy is from within no one wants to assimilate anymore and no one thinks they should have to!!!
No one wants to speak english...I mean if I went to another country I would learn the language best I can to get by... this thought that you must conform to my ways is crazy talk...... oh boy i feel myself slipping...im gonna end my rant before its a couple pages.......

 

[FrankenCub]

It's not just you, @Jmac00
Very much truth in what you and @Criticalt posted. Candice Owen's, think that's her name, interviewed a moderate Imam and he even admitted that there are truly very few "moderate" Muslims and Islam isn't about peace. He even said Islam is about dominating the Earth.
A once close friend of mine on a UFO forum was defending Islam a couple years after 9/11 when a lot of discussions popped up on her forum, but she refused to actually read parts of the Quran. We got into a pretty heated dispute over it so I thought maybe my perceptions after 9/11 were a bit jaded so I downloaded a English translation of the Quran and read a good deal of it. No way was I wrong, too much in the Quran proved me right.
Many judge the Quran by reading page by page. It isn't written in a even timeline like the Bible is, oldest passages to the newest. The Quaran jumps all over. The newest teachings that the majority of Muslims follow are the most violent.

 

[FrankenCub]

I always ask those defending Islam if they've read any of the Quran, they haven't. Just repeating what the Tell a Vision told the to believe.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

They have actual no BS doctrine allowed and encouraged by the Quran to deliberately deceive infidels and non believers to advance the Muslim faith. Look up Taqiyya if you don't believe it.

 

[meketrefe]

The problem is not religion but the stament and organization or even state behind it.
Any religion beyond the spiritual and personal is not good. When a religion
Stands in between a person a fundamental
Human rights then we have a problem.
Or you think that sadisic jew women have
It much better?

 

[Kirk_STNY]

I used to work for a large international company. I worked with Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs. All nice people. My former boss is a Muslim. Basically like us but instead of church on Sundays it's mosque or temple or whatever on their "sabbath" day.

 

[Criticalt]

I used to work for a large international company. I worked with Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs. All nice people. My former boss is a Muslim. Basically like us but instead of church on Sundays it's mosque or temple or whatever on their "sabbath" day.

Absolutely correct, I know a couple Muslims who are great people. They speak English, they love America, they watch football on Sundays, the join our military, they love apple pie.......
They also pray 5 times a day, they also love their country of origin, they love the food and customs of their homeland, they have respect for their woman folk and dont consider them property.......
Thats all great and they are great people.
However, read my post above. Its all true and growing.
There are more and more Muslims coming here with other plans than being good citizens.
Many live on welfare, never learn English and teach their children to hate American values.
"Moderate" Muslims have been coming here for decades and becoming great citizens and love their new country.
However, more and more Muslims coming here these days are more orthodox Muslims and have no desire to become Americans.
Now our country is headed the way of Europe. Our country has become so afraid to offend, that other cultures can move in and easily transform society.
A few years ago every person in this country would disagree with child brides. Now, liberals say its their culture and should be respected.

 

[Bananabandit]

A rant...about islam...on NYG? WHAT? Thats unheard of.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Absolutely correct, I know a couple Muslims who are great people. They speak English, they love America, they watch football on Sundays, the join our military, they love apple pie.......
They also pray 5 times a day, they also love their country of origin, they love the food and customs of their homeland, they have respect for their woman folk and dont consider them property.......
Thats all great and they are great people.
However, read my post above. Its all true and growing.
There are more and more Muslims coming here with other plans than being good citizens.
Many live on welfare, never learn English and teach their children to hate American values.
"Moderate" Muslims have been coming here for decades and becoming great citizens and love their new country.
However, more and more Muslims coming here these days are more orthodox Muslims and have no desire to become Americans.
Now our country is headed the way of Europe. Our country has become so afraid to offend, that other cultures can move in and easily transform society.
A few years ago every person in this country would disagree with child brides. Now, liberals say its their culture and should be respected.

Of course there are good Muslims. even the majority of them fit the description of good American citizens. The problem is a growing number do not. Moderate Muslims need to clean up their own house and keep the radicals in line but even they are afraid to do that.

There are enough that fit your above description where they seek to gradually ND systematically impose a cojoined government, political, religious system on our country that we should be concerned.

Hardcore Muslims believe they are the only real religion and seek to dominate and replace all others and see willing to use force to accomplish it.

And no, I'm not a "phobe". No other religion has these issues, I don't feel the same way about Christians, Amish, Mormons, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, flying spaghetti monsters etc. Although keep your eyes on the Scientologists...

 

[1911guy]

The Congress now has more Muslims in positions of power than ever before. I see this as a serious threat to our nation that no one else seems to recognize. These women promote Islam more than America's values, They HATE AMERICA, yet they some how, get elected to office? Are American's at a point where the populace just doesn't care. Or is it that young Americans actually see Islam as better way of life?

As I recall these Muslims in Congress are from areas where Obama sent large groups of Muslim refugees to live. That is how they get elected.

 

[Grimscale]

No other religion has these issues,

Really?
You don't feel that way about other religions?
Even when those religions claim that America was founded for them, exclusively, and seek to push their beliefs on the entire Country?
Or when those religions claim "there's a war on..." when people only want every religion to have the same chance in the public sector?

 

[Robin]

What radical Muslim's? They are just practicing their religion as written in their holy book, the rest will get on board when the tide shifts.
Robin

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Really?
You don't feel that way about other religions?
Even when those religions claim that America was founded for them, exclusively, and seek to push their beliefs on the entire Country?
Or when those religions claim "there's a war on..." when people only want every religion to have the same chance in the public sector?

Compare the difference between

a "draw Mohammed" contest

And "piss Christ" art exhibit




For the record, I do believe in the separation of church and state. The difference is I look at Islam as more of a competing political system than I do a religion.

This country was founded upon judeo-christian values so it stands to reason there is a strong influence on what out country considers lawful or acceptable.

I'm all for giving people free will to choose to worship who or what they want.

 

[Darth]

This country was founded upon judeo-christian values so it stands to reason there is a strong influence on what out country considers lawful or acceptable.

Just so nobody gets confused, this is not true.

 

[libertysnake]

As close to perfectly said as it's going to get.

 

[Criticalt]

Just so nobody gets confused, this is not true.

I really dont get where you come up with this idea.
The first European settlers were the Puritans.
They came here with a strong christian belief and built their communities around these beliefs. In the first communities on this soil, the church was the center of the community.
One of the main reasons they came here was to have the freedom to follow their christian beliefs free from persecution.
Every wave of people that came here from the 1600s-1800s were devout christians and every single bit of documentation from the first settlers is full of "in god we trust" and "with gods will", and god given rights"......and so on.
Puritans, Quakers, Pilgrims......all devout christians looking for a new land to practice their beliefs.
Right up to the founding fathers. All christians. Look at how many times god is mentioned in the founding documents.
Millions of Catholics came here to escape percussion also.
As settlers moved across the country, churches were the first buildings built.
Even before homes, they built their church. There wasnt a single town built across the nation without a christian church.

 

[Darth]

I really dont get where you come up with this idea.
The first European settlers were the Puritans.
They came here with a strong christian belief and built their communities around these beliefs. In the first communities on this soil, the church was the center of the community.
One of the main reasons they came here was to have the freedom to follow their christian beliefs free from persecution.
Every wave of people that came here from the 1600s-1800s were devout christians and every single bit of documentation from the first settlers is full of "in god we trust" and "with gods will", and god given rights"......and so on.
Puritans, Quakers, Pilgrims......all devout christians looking for a new land to practice their beliefs.
Right up to the founding fathers. All christians. Look at how many times god is mentioned in the founding documents.
Millions of Catholics came here to escape percussion also.
As settlers moved across the country, churches were the first buildings built.
Even before homes, they built their church. There wasnt a single town built across the nation without a christian church.

"
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Thankfully, we are not based on those values. The founding fathers saw the danger of the vile Christian values, and set out to prevent them from running this country into the ground.

 

[BuffNiag]

Most of the stuff you are talking about is Islamic fundamentalism. The vast majority of practicing Muslims don't follow these beliefs. Ridiculous as saying all Christians are Amish.

 

[Criticalt]

"
the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Thankfully, we are not based on those values. The founding fathers saw the danger of the vile Christian values, and set out to prevent them from running this country into the ground.

Now we are down to semantics.
This country wasnt founded ON christian values but it was absolutely founded BY people with christian values.
The founding documents are chocked full of ideas with their basis in christianity. The basic "rules" the founding fathers originally came up with are based on christian values.
They understood the seperation of church and state and realized the cult like issues that could arise if they directly made this country a "christian" nation.
However, being christians themselves, they were raised on those values which show in the founding documents.
From the 1600s-1800s almost 100% of the people here were christians and they raised their children with those values......dont kill, dont covet, jealousy, greed and gluttony........
This country was absolutely "founded" by christians and christian values.

 

[Darth]

Now we are down to semantics.
This country wasnt founded ON christian values but it was absolutely founded BY people with christian values.

Demonstrably untrue. And even so, that makes this nation as much Christian as the Jimmie Johnson foundation makes it members NASCAR drivers.

The founding documents are chocked full of ideas with their basis in christianity. The basic "rules" the founding fathers originally came up with are based on christian values.

Such as what?

They understood the seperation of church and state and realized the cult like issues that could arise if they directly made this country a "christian" nation.
However, being christians themselves, they were raised on those values which show in the founding documents.
From the 1600s-1800s almost 100% of the people here were christians and they raised their children with those values......dont kill, dont covet, jealousy, greed and gluttony........
This country was absolutely "founded" by christians and christian values.

Oh, such as that. The oft quoted 10 commandments that Christianity ripped off from many previous religions. And you seem to have left some out. And the whole death penalty for breaking even one. Also a Christian value. Do we kill people for working on a Sunday? Coveting women? (Which is incredibly stupid anyway, and thankfully nobody follows that one.)

 

[BuffNiag]

 

[Criticalt]

Demonstrably untrue. And even so, that makes this nation as much Christian as the Jimmie Johnson foundation makes it members NASCAR drivers.

Such as what?

Oh, such as that. The oft quoted 10 commandments that Christianity ripped off from many previous religions. And you seem to have left some out. And the whole death penalty for breaking even one. Also a Christian value. Do we kill people for working on a Sunday? Coveting women? (Which is incredibly stupid anyway, and thankfully nobody follows that one.)

Heres the funny thing.
You live by values taught by christians.
I know, I know, you hate that, but its true.
You just dont get it This country WAS founded and settled by christians and fought for by christians and by god when fighting overseas, 99% pray to jesus.
It doesnt matter who they stole the ideas from, its what they have followed for centuries.
You know nobody is being killed for working on Sundays.
Also, im not going to watch Youtube video opinion pieces.......have you seen the ones that prove the earth is flat?

 

[Blimey]

Most of the stuff you are talking about is Islamic fundamentalism. The vast majority of practicing Muslims don't follow these beliefs. Ridiculous as saying all Christians are Amish.

If the particularly devout in islam bought horse carriages instead of bomb materials we wouldn't have threads like this.

Appendix A: U.S. Muslims — Views on Religion and Society in a Global Context

In their attitudes toward modern society and their relations with people of other faiths, U.S. Muslims sometimes more closely resemble other Americans

www.pewforum.org

Just 1% of U.S. Muslims and a median of 3% of Muslims worldwide say suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets are often justified, while 7% of U.S. Muslims and a global median of 8% of Muslims say such attacks are sometimes justified to defend Islam.

So over 200,000 muslims in the US alone are okay with suicide bombing. Over 30,000 think it's just peachy. That's a relief.

 

[Darth]

Heres the funny thing.
You live by values taught by christians.
I know, I know, you hate that, but its true.
You just dont get it This country WAS founded and settled by christians and fought for by christians and by god when fighting overseas, 99% pray to jesus.
It doesnt matter who they stole the ideas from, its what they have followed for centuries.
You know nobody is being killed for working on Sundays.
Also, im not going to watch Youtube video opinion pieces.......have you seen the ones that prove the earth is flat?

Plugging your ears and saying "you live by Christian values" doesn't make it true.

There are no youtube opinion pieces posted.

When the founders flat out say "no", you saying "yes" is pretty unconvincing.

What you hate is that Christianity and Islam are nearly identical, and you can't justify your belief in one, so you lie about both to try and appear right.

 

[Criticalt]

Plugging your ears and saying "you live by Christian values" doesn't make it true.

There are no youtube opinion pieces posted.

When the founders flat out say "no", you saying "yes" is pretty unconvincing.

What you hate is that Christianity and Islam are nearly identical, and you can't justify your belief in one, so you lie about both to try and appear right.

You obviously dont pay attention.
Ive been an Atheist sinse befire you were born. I come from a VERY religious family. I was made to go to church every Sunday as long as I lived in my parents house. I was confirmed in the church. My parents were christian missionaries and they traveled the world doing it. My parents ran a christian summer camp my entire young life. Ive been through it.
I knew at 10 years old that it was all bullshit.
To be a christian you must believe in jesus christ, must believe he died for your sins and was resurrected, and you must believe he will return. Those are the very basics you MUST believe.
Some of the values our country was founded on like, justice, honor, honesty, respect for others......are not exclusively christian values but sinse everyone that first came here were christians who held those values, this country was built on christian values because the reason these people did what they did was because of their christian beliefs. Its that simple.

This from John Adams.........

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.
The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!
I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.

John Q Adams

My hopes of a future life are all founded upon the Gospel of Christ and I cannot cavil or quibble away [evade or object to]. . . . the whole tenor of His conduct by which He sometimes positively asserted and at others countenances [permits] His disciples in asserting that He was God.6

The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the Divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made “bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God” [Isaiah 52:10].7
In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

Elias Boudinot.....

Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned… [L]et us earnestly call and beseech Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. . . . We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God, Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning . . . in order to open the meeting with prayer.

Charles Carroll to congress in 1854.....

The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.



Theres alot more.....our founding fathers and the settlers had great faith in god and founded this country under the guidance of their beliefs.