Airsoft as training for real firearms (video proof of concept)

[OnSight Firearms Training]

Training on my own is largely things Ive learned from classes or YT. But I always learn something new in class, for instance, my last class with you taught me something new about gripping the pistol, thumbs up.

You Tube? Well if you are going to go the You Tube route for instruction, I suggest one of the great You Tube instructors, Lisa Philips.

 

[GOPerfect]

You Tube? Well if you are going to go the You Tube route for instruction, I suggest one of the great You Tube instructors, Lisa Philips.

Do you not think YouTube is a viable place to get some good information>

Just curious.

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

Do you not think YouTube is a viable place to get some good information>

Just curious.

I'd say about 5% of it.
YT doesn't offer you feedback, diagnosis or give you anything more than what you are getting from watching.
I've seen some really great things on YT but also far more shit that should just be avoided altogether from training drills to firearms advice.
Honestly, for me, YT is a source of entertainment, with occasional good advice. Not instruction, advice.

 

[Phazer]

You Tube? Well if you are going to go the You Tube route for instruction, I suggest one of the great You Tube instructors, Lisa Philips.

Ummm....I think everyone that has completed a single OFT pistol course, at any level, has better fundamentals and can outperform that "instructor."

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

Ummm....I think everyone that has completed a single OFT pistol course, at any level, has better fundamentals and can outperform that "instructor."

That is not saying much! LOL!!!!!

 

[GOPerfect]

Ummm....I think everyone that has completed a single OFT pistol course, at any level, has better fundamentals and can outperform that "instructor."

I made it to Clip....

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

I made it to Clip....

Oh there's one point she tries to shoot her Hi_Point and the safety is on......
If you can make it to the end credits, you can find the typo. It's classic.

 

[Celt]

With youtube its like anything, you gotta learn what/who is good or crap. There are a number of good instructors that post stuff on yt.

https://youtube.com/c/CarryTrainer

This is one I watch to catch some ideas and drills.

 

[Celt]

I'd say about 5% of it.
YT doesn't offer you feedback, diagnosis or give you anything more than what you are getting from watching.
I've seen some really great things on YT but also far more shit that should just be avoided altogether from training drills to firearms advice.
Honestly, for me, YT is a source of entertainment, with occasional good advice. Not instruction, advice.

I use it for ideas to supplement my training with, and alot of entertainment.

I think formal training is great for beginners to advanced shooters, if I had the ability I would attend training once a month. Besides learning things and practicing, I really enjoy spending the day getting better.

When I train on my own I use drills I have learned in classes, or drills Ive seen some instructors run on YT.

For regular citizens who carry concealed I think force on force training is one of the best ways to train for real world scenarios.

 

[GOPerfect]

I have met a fair number of people that claim to be trainers, I have been let down too often at their lack of knowledge, experience, and instruction abilities.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Posting stuff for information and watching such information is not the same as instruction and training (respectively)

 

[nortatoga]

Hey stop bashing YouTube I have learned a lot about Blackstone griddle's there!! Oop's my bad wrong Thread!!! Carry on

 

[Celt]

I suppose I should be a little more clear, or rather clarify a statement I made in this thread.

I don't consider YouTube to be a credible source for firearms training, and I dont recommend people to get training for firearms from YT. I do think there are some credible trainers that post videos on YouTube and I personally use those videos to give me ideas for different types of drills when I train on my own.

 

[Phazer]

I don't consider YouTube to be a credible source for firearms training, and I dont recommend people to get training for firearms from YT. I do think there are some credible trainers that post videos on YouTube and I personally use those videos to give me ideas for different types of drills when I train on my own.

Bingo!

Caveat emptor.

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

https://oftllc.us/event/civilian-force-on-force-scenarios-2/

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My son is having his birthday this weekend and he wanted to try airsoft. One of his friends backed out so it looks like I'll be taking his place.

Just using rental gear so I'm sure it will suck but it should be interesting

 

[Celt]

My son is having his birthday this weekend and he wanted to try airsoft. One of his friends backed out so it looks like I'll be taking his place.

Just using rental gear so I'm sure it will suck but it should be interesting

Keep us posted man. Ive still been doing drills and training. Just grabbed a couple more mags for the rifle and an extra mag for the pistol.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Keep us posted man. Ive still been doing drills and training. Just grabbed a couple more mags for the rifle and an extra mag for the pistol.

Nice. How do you like it so far?

Any feedback or advice?

I'm thinking I'll just show up looking like a regular dad in jeans and hoodie to play. I get a rental mask there.

 

[Celt]

Nice. How do you like it so far?

Any feedback or advice?

I'm thinking I'll just show up looking like a regular dad in jeans and hoodie to play. I get a rental mask there.

Never played airsoft, but i did play paintball. Just show up like you plan to and enjoy. I use airsoft at home for training only at this point. Its all for mechanical memory training, etc...

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So here's my after action report

It was definitely fun and interesting. Have a Few welts this morning too.

It's not super realistic because you're dealing with a crappy rental mask that fogs up and prevents you from actually getting on your rifle sights. And it was somewhat dark so it was hard to see where the bbs were going. More often than not I held my rifle slightly canted and tried to just eyeball the barrel towards my target. Obviously hiding behind a pallet or something is cover in airsoft but not against rifles etc....


It was an indoor area I think about 10,000 sq ft with some 2nd story overlooking structures you could get into.

A couple games were 3 v 4 but then a bunch more people showed up and it was 10 v 10.

The 3 v 4 felt much more manageable and realistic.

The 10 v 10 was a shitshow of chaos

It was also challenging to know who was and wasn't on your team. You generally just enganged people coming at your direction. The other team had red arm bands but they were difficult to identify. You just try to memorize what your team mates look like.

The Field had stand alone features and bunkers, some hallway type features and almost like freestanding indoor rooms.

Getting all that out of the way it was actually a ton of fun and you can get as much out of it as you want. I tried to focus on steady smooth deliberate movements, slicing the pie, room entry, scanning for targets, moving and positing with a rifle ready to engage, trigger discipline etc... That was great. A ton of kids were just running all over but you can get something out of it if you want.

Some of the older players knew the field very well and all the angles. Their personal rifles were definitely better and some had weapon mounted white lights. They were a significant advantage. Very hard to look into the light and shoot back accurately at them. Note to self.

For example there was a large structure in the middle with 4 entrances and a bunker in the middle. Gaining entry to it while knowing there's a good chance a person is somewhere in there trying to shoot you and your adrenaline starts to flow. As your making entry your always trying to maintain awareness so you don't get shot from the side. There's a lot going on. To focus on and you really have to be alert to not get tunnel vision.


So I would definitely go again. The kids had fun and did way better than I expected them to do. They were already talking about trying to get airsoft guns now.


That's my experience

 

[Celt]

So here's my after action report

It was definitely fun and interesting. Have a Few welts this morning too.

It's not super realistic because you're dealing with a crappy rental mask that fogs up and prevents you from actually getting on your rifle sights. And it was somewhat dark so it was hard to see where the bbs were going. More often than not I held my rifle slightly canted and tried to just eyeball the barrel towards my target. Obviously hiding behind a pallet or something is cover in airsoft but not against rifles etc....


It was an indoor area I think about 10,000 sq ft with some 2nd story overlooking structures you could get into.

A couple games were 3 v 4 but then a bunch more people showed up and it was 10 v 10.

The 3 v 4 felt much more manageable and realistic.

The 10 v 10 was a shitshow of chaos

It was also challenging to know who was and wasn't on your team. You generally just enganged people coming at your direction. The other team had red arm bands but they were difficult to identify. You just try to memorize what your team mates look like.

The Field had stand alone features and bunkers, some hallway type features and almost like freestanding indoor rooms.

Getting all that out of the way it was actually a ton of fun and you can get as much out of it as you want. I tried to focus on steady smooth deliberate movements, slicing the pie, room entry, scanning for targets, moving and positing with a rifle ready to engage, trigger discipline etc... That was great. A ton of kids were just running all over but you can get something out of it if you want.

Some of the older players knew the field very well and all the angles. Their personal rifles were definitely better and some had weapon mounted white lights. They were a significant advantage. Very hard to look into the light and shoot back accurately at them. Note to self.

For example there was a large structure in the middle with 4 entrances and a bunker in the middle. Gaining entry to it while knowing there's a good chance a person is somewhere in there trying to shoot you and your adrenaline starts to flow. As your making entry your always trying to maintain awareness so you don't get shot from the side. There's a lot going on. To focus on and you really have to be alert to not get tunnel vision.


So I would definitely go again. The kids had fun and did way better than I expected them to do. They were already talking about trying to get airsoft guns now.


That's my experience

That sounds like fun. I wouldnt mind doing some milsim airsoft events where you have coordinated uniforms, etc... maybe when my little guys are a bit older.

 

[Deleted member 8367]

Attended Onsight Forearms Training Civilian Force On Force Scenarios session last night at Paladin in Carmel. NY and can say that the scenarios and mindset are more important than the equipment and gear. Many in the class have never been in situations like those presented with realistic threats. Yes, we're all geared up and the airsoft rounds do sting, its still a deadly force encounter that is as realistic as you can get. Highly recommend this course for anyone who carries for self-defense. Equipment and ammo is supplied if you do not have your own Airsoft gear.

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

Attended Onsight Forearms Training Civilian Force On Force Scenarios session last night at Paladin in Carmel. NY and can say that the scenarios and mindset are more important than the equipment and gear. Many in the class have never been in situations like those presented with realistic threats. Yes, we're all geared up and the airsoft rounds do sting, its still a deadly force encounter that is as realistic as you can get. Highly recommend this course for anyone who carries for self-defense. Equipment and ammo is supplied if you do not have your own Airsoft gear.

YES we do alot of Forearm work as well !

 

[Acer-m14]

this just popped up in my youtube ..

 

[Howdy]

I went to Zulu airsoft in orange county last week. I had a lot of fun, and it definitely helps in some ways. You sure get a lot of experience dealing with chaos, which is nice.