American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California

JRtraderny · Feb 13, 2024

livingston said:
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American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California
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Major credit card companies are moving to make a merchant code available for firearm and ammunition retailers in order to comply with a new California law that will allow banks to potentially track suspicious gun purchases and report them to law enforcement, CBS News has learned.

American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California

Visa, Mastercard and Amex will provide a merchant code for firearms retailers to comply with a new California law, CBS News has learned.

www.cbsnews.com

Invasion of privacy.

Apeman · Feb 13, 2024

Anything with a serial number has to go through an FFL and they have the same bullshit ammo background check policy we have. Other than just screwing people over for fun why do they have this?

The cc company going to report a case of ammo? Doesn't matter what kind of gun you buy since it'll go to an FFL. If it's not CA legal they won't transfer it.

FP1201 · Feb 13, 2024

livingston said:
POLITICS

American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California
Politics News: Political parties, election news, policies, and news from the Biden administration from CBS News
Major credit card companies are moving to make a merchant code available for firearm and ammunition retailers in order to comply with a new California law that will allow banks to potentially track suspicious gun purchases and report them to law enforcement, CBS News has learned.

American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California

Visa, Mastercard and Amex will provide a merchant code for firearms retailers to comply with a new California law, CBS News has learned.

www.cbsnews.com

Gotta figure out different ways to "identify" who has guns and who doesn't: makes selecting houses for confiscation much easier.

Vinson57 · Feb 13, 2024

Do they reprocess cars when you do not pay? Since a firearm is a durable item and holding value, they need to repocess these and resell on GB. If you cannot pay then they need to do something about the gun.

They are trying to find people who meet a profile that are planning to do an active shooting You can just look a a dozen of the past incidents. Its probable a person apply for a card and gets 1000 or 2000 limit and its all for a MSR and a pile of ammo.

I had a junior, disgruntled as shit and needed to be beaten with a bat and would do not work and just sat in the basement playing video games. In no way would he be allowed to have any guns hidden in his room as mom or me would be shot. He is gone and anger issues remain and not in my will for any guns.

They find the active shooters or death by cop type do not pay their bill.

When CA solves finding one active shooter and it could be fake as shit, they sell the system for the whole US.

CBDC going to make this all moot anyways as there will be no cash and all new guns will be charged and trading will be outlawed at stores. All commodities recorded and ultimately controlled.

When the Supreme Court legalizes MSRs. Botox face counters with full licensing for all semi-autos with full registration of semi-autos as an expansion of the Sullivan Act. Then they got all the information which is given to the feds.

Get some cash as the best way to implement CBDC is to shut off the ATMs and force electronic transaction everywhere. Then while doing that, any cash spent is turned in and not put back in circulation. When you run out of that, you got gold and silver and large coins in bars will cause a problem to spend. A common idiot thinks a silver dollar is one dollar and not worth 25 dollars.

Cooolone · Feb 13, 2024

Hmmmmmm? Tracking and reporting completely legal activity to law enforcement???

Really?

Just wow

Acer-m14 · Feb 14, 2024

So take said Master Card , Visa , AE ..

to the ATM and take out some CASH!!!

then go buy the damn gun ..

from the guy in the alley or on the corner

Cavalry · Feb 14, 2024

I still do not understand how this works, or for that matter what it achieves. Sure, they can single out businesses that sell mostly guns, but what about sporting goods stores or stores that also sell guns. Those mixed sale businesses have to account for a significant amount of gun purchases.

Cavalry · Feb 14, 2024

livingston said:
I bought a handgun at sportsman warehouse and it had to be ordered. They made me buy a gift card and when the gun came in I used that gift card to pay for the gun. (a possible work around folks ? )

I think you just reinforced the problems with this. Its a merchant code not some code that tracks individual items purchased. " Jim-Bobs Gun Emporium" would get the gun merchant code, because they primarily sell guns, but what about your purchase at Sportsman's Warehouse? They sell more than guns, it could be a handgun or a fishing rod, hip waders and a case of beef jerky.

fresch · Feb 14, 2024

Cavalry said:
I think you just reinforced the problems with this. Its a merchant code not some code that tracks individual items purchased. " Jim-Bobs Gun Emporium" would get the gun merchant code, because they primarily sell guns, but what about your purchase at Sportsman's Warehouse? They sell more than guns, it could be a handgun or a fishing rod, hip waders and a case of beef jerky.

For now.
Not too hard to add a g to the code after the system is up and running.
Kind of how they know which soda quantity to order/stock.

Cavalry · Feb 14, 2024

fresch said:
For now.
Not too hard to add a g to the code after the system is up and running.
Kind of how they know which soda quantity to order/stock.

Simple solution, Pay cash. This is why Americans are so deep with personal debt by financing shit they want but don't need.

Credit card tracking is complete BS but one would be completely naive to believe .gov doesn't already have details on every transaction, especially for guns. Their failure point is having to be semi discreet about the data they have and what they do with it.

JunkBoxFull · Feb 14, 2024

And when we become a fully 100% cashless society?

Can`t say we wern`t warned folks. This has been all heading this way for a very long time.

Deplorable Me · Feb 14, 2024

NSA has been tracking us for years.

Willyone · Feb 14, 2024

Cavalry said:
Simple solution, Pay cash. This is why Americans are so deep with personal debt by financing shit they want but don't need.

Credit card tracking is complete BS but one would be completely naive to believe .gov doesn't already have details on every transaction, especially for guns. Their failure point is having to be semi discreet about the data they have and what they do with it.

My thought as well....

In NYS you buy either gun or ammo and every fucking 3 letter government entity automatically (now days probably here and abroad) has access to the purchase record along with a shit load of personal info, credit card purchase or not.

Ammo only... As far as I know the only way to buy ammo "under the radar" is to go to a free state and pay cash.

Even then, it wouldn't much surprise me if some of the free state corporate big box stores and also maybe some smaller shops have some kind of hidden facial recognition cameras monitoring ammo sales. I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but to me it seems there is no reason to believe we have much if any privacy anywhere or for/about anything, especially firearm related.

Hell, being on a gun site you've given up your privacy. About the only thing the ABC's don't know is what I'm gonna have for lunch.
Yes, I put tape over the camera eye on my laptop LOL.

Acer-m14 · Feb 15, 2024

Will this Credit Card Gun Tracking Code trace back the card to the Government that issued it ??

The Government is handing out a lot of cards to the migrants ..

:ROFL:

Willyone · Feb 15, 2024

Acer-m14 said:
Will this Credit Card Gun Tracking Code trace back the card to the Government that issued it ??

The Government is handing out a lot of cards to the migrants ..

USA Government has gone rogue. It's no longer of the people, by the people, for the people.

The government, using my fuk'n tax money & your fuk'n tax money, is handing out a whole lot more than credit cards to the ~~migrants~~ illegal aliens. Government is and has been out of control, out of citizens control.

Grimscale · Feb 15, 2024

Cavalry said:
but what about your purchase at Sportsman's Warehouse

1. Use a Credit Card to buy a $50k boat at Sportsman's Warehouse.
2. Wait for the fed bois to break down your door.
3. sue the ever-lovin' crap out of them
4. Profit!

Cooolone · Feb 15, 2024

Grimscale said:
1. Use a Credit Card to buy a $50k boat at Sportsman's Warehouse.
2. Wait for the fed bois to break down your door.
3. sue the ever-lovin' crap out of them
4. Profit!

^^^THIS^^^

I couldn't give a shit... Is more of the cashless society that's wanted and adding to the ever increasing nanny State! Want to record my purchases, oh ok! Law Enforcement wants to act on legal activity regarding those purchases, fuck you very much!

All in all... More worrying about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes! Lol... How much of this shit so many worry about and for a normal Joe, never materializes. Just be smart... Break only ONE law at a time, hahahahaha, if you're going to. Leave the 10lbs of smack at home if our joy riding with your armory in your trunk! LMFAO (kidding of course). Do they go arrest someone convicted of DWI who purchased a new car? Etc...

With the MILLIONS of firearm transactions, including ammo and accessories, every month... They would need to create a system which codes each and every item so the powers that be could differentiate what you have purchased. I just don't see any real use other than maybe statistical collection of data in a general scope. Not that it's ok, but not anything I'm going to worry about!

That is all... No back to our regular programming!

S&W Fan · Feb 15, 2024

This is nothing more than the credit card companies making a preemptive move to cover their asses from a civil suit in the future, brought on by some over zealous ambulance chasing civil law firm.

Cooolone · Feb 15, 2024

S&W Fan said:
This is nothing more than the credit card companies making a preemptive move to cover their asses from a civil suit in the future brought on by some over zealous ambulance chasing civil law firm.

Interesting, but not sure on that take...

For instance, why then not do the same for alcohol sales? Knives, Axes? Chemicals? Oooops, they do track chemicals since Obama, forgot...

But interesting take!

Acer-m14 · Feb 16, 2024

American Express, Visa, Mastercard move ahead with code to track gun store purchases in California

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