Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Its only changed in recent years...maybe 4 now? Not that long
AOW shotguns
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Well, guess it's been at least that long I looked then. Might have been 5 or 6 since I looked.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah I looked at it the other day, I think maybe 2014 or 2016 but dont recall now. Was pretty surprised to see it, frankly.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
BTW..I like that option in post #15 but not for that $$$.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Youd cringe at prices I paid for the serbu
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I would, I'm a cheap bastard
Broke too lmao
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Is it current interpretation that brace on Shockwave is a no go? I think so so that's off the table.
That's what I would go with if I had *any faith whatsoever in ATF not to make me a felon with a tap of Trump's twitter and a stroke of ATF head's pen*.
That's what I would go with if I had *any faith whatsoever in ATF not to make me a felon with a tap of Trump's twitter and a stroke of ATF head's pen*.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Is it anything like the AR pistol brace?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Yup and I recall it being relegated to the dustbin of "stuff they used to say is ok that's no longer ok."
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
ATF doesnt even know anymore.
Whoever the highest bidder is their opinion.
iirc the ATF recently came to the decision (because people keep calling THEM and asking THEM if shits legal or not.... seriously guys stop calling or writing if it's legal to do something, just fuck off) that the overall measurement for the OAL can only include parts that are vital in the function of the weapon.
So for example if an AR "other" was measured to 26" (with vertical grip and all that) but had say a LAW Tactical folder on it and an arm brace then the measurement is no longer correct because those arent needed to function. And only from the muzzle to the end of the buffer tube is what can be measured.
This translated into people not feeling kosher with arm braces on the Tac-14 and shockwaves
***edit*** and to be honest if they were good to go, screw the shockwave I'd go with the Tac-13 with SBA4 brace
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here’s what I don’t understand though. An AR pistol became a Firearm when it was no longer concealable as per the ATF because it was over 26 inches in length and had a forward grip. So those guys that had an arm brace on an AR pistol counting the brace for measurement with their 7 to 10 inch barrels to make it 26 inches were assed out because the brace no longer counted for measurement. So they had to remove their forward grips or it would be considered an untaxed AOW. A felony.
The Mossberg or Remington not a shotgun but rather a firearm already has an overall length of 26 inches without the brace. So why are people removing the brace? It’s over 26 inches already. The brace doesn’t add any needed length to the already 26 + inches.
Edit. Oh. And side note. Mossberg is better. Dual extractors and all that jazz. Plus easier to load. Better lifter.
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
If your local shops don't have the SOT license needed to deal in NFA items, you might as well get your advice from your barbershop.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
There's a reason the AOW stamp only costs five bucks.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Well not everybody knows the procedures. Like I said again everyone is going to give you different answers.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I will say this, if one has the money to dip one's toes into the NFA world one probably has enough money to hire a good lawyer.
With that said I am all for anyone doing everything they can to *legally* poke FUAC and his purple tied minions in the eye.
With that said I am all for anyone doing everything they can to *legally* poke FUAC and his purple tied minions in the eye.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don’t know why anyone would want an AOW that you have to register anyway. Look at SBR’s. Those are down big time because of the AR pistol. NFA registration comes with a price. Money and control. Just to move to another state, you need permission to move your NFA device or weapon to another state.
Onone1946
.177 BB
A friend of mine sent me this and it appears AOW’s are legal in NY I just can’t seem to find a shop that’s willing or able to help me out
The ATF WILL approve paper work for New York regarding smooth bore destructive devices.
This is coming from a company that is (was at the time) selling actual M203 grenade launchers.. they will sell you the reciever and help with the paperwork so you can get approved for a DD then they send the barrel to your FFL.
They called and talked to the ATF and were told they would approve those stamps for NY. Downside is getting NY on board with a grenade launcher as they I believe are specifically mentioned as prohibited under penal law 265
This is coming from a company that is (was at the time) selling actual M203 grenade launchers.. they will sell you the reciever and help with the paperwork so you can get approved for a DD then they send the barrel to your FFL.
They called and talked to the ATF and were told they would approve those stamps for NY. Downside is getting NY on board with a grenade launcher as they I believe are specifically mentioned as prohibited under penal law 265
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
But the launcher isn't the "destructive device", the projectile is?
But the launcher isn't the "destructive device", the projectile is?
Yes and no.. 40mm smooth bore is considered a destructive device I believe. That's why civilian legal shit is like 37mm.
And then the projectile if carrying an explosives load would also need its own $200 tax stamp and approval per projectile.
More info can be had at their FB page.. they may or may not give info on how to do all this stuff to include molotov cocktails
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I belive they have in the past gotten in some RPG-7 tubes they sold and help build back up
Speaking if 40mm haha they recently posted this
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I have been wanting to throw a 37mm onto a build for ages but the ones I've seen that I like are pricey.
Onone1946
.177 BB
So I’m going to contact this company in Texas to see if they can help me with this the problem I’m having is the local gun shops don’t think it’s legal but the research I have done says it isn’t explicitly banned in NY thanks this was helpful
Worth a shot but they may not be able to help
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Maybe look for a list of SOT licensees in NY ?
I did a quick search online and didn't find anything good, but a more extensive search might come up with something. You *could* call the ATF and ask for a list too. They have to have a database, might even be online.
Once you find the SOT holder you want to use, they will be able to answer any questions.
I did a quick search online and didn't find anything good, but a more extensive search might come up with something. You *could* call the ATF and ask for a list too. They have to have a database, might even be online.
Once you find the SOT holder you want to use, they will be able to answer any questions.
technicalgadget
.223 Rem
Doesn't this also require sign off by a local Police agency? No police agency in NY will sign off on something like this.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
That's the old rules. New rules most people form a trust and the trust owns the NFA items not the individual. There are no BGCs or fingerprints, etc for a trust.
Also, there *are* plenty of people in NY who have already done this, it's not a one off idea.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Partly right.
Requirement for local sign off went away a few years ago. Now the form one / four applicant needs to "notify" locals (ETA: doesn't matter if they are an individual or a trust). Dont have the specifics in front of me (when or how, etc) as I signed off my laptop for the day. It's on ATF's website.
Onone1946
.177 BB
That’s what I’m looking for thanks