Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. My feelings are hurt. 
Are Online Retailers Killing Local Gun Stores? Should We Care?
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tc556guy
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Of course, and transfer fees will go up because regulations have driven up the cost of doing business. The gun forums where guys in places like CA where they're charging $100 per transfer come to mind.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And when people stop buying as many guns due to those fees, FFL’s will have to lower their fees or risk going out of business.
tc556guy
.40 S&W
From what I've heard over the years,places like Buds are happy making as little as $5 per gun and rely on volume of sales that are impossible for your typical local FFL to match. There's only so much room in the marketplace for a handful of places like grabagun or Bud's to exist
tc556guy
.40 S&W
Then they'll go out of business and people will complain that they have no transfer options. Dealers aren't charities. They will pass along the costs of doing business plus a little profit for their time
Guys need to stop hoping that the FFL genie is going to magically pop out low transfer charges in a high cost high regulation area
That I am not sure of. Gander was buying a shit ton of guns at their high point. There may have been kick backs and rebates that we did not see.
ExMember_4526
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There’s a lot of complexity involved. To go into detail would entail a very long post, and most would ADD out like crazy, but to describe it in a very simplistic way: Certain “bigger players” present a certain value to these suppliers, this gives incentives to the suppliers to sell their product line for cheaper.
... I really encourage people to learn about different markets, how they work, whose involved, how various players make their money. It’s fascinating and inspiring!
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And when they do go out of a business, one guy or a group of guys will pool their money together, buy an inexpensive camera system, buy a bunch of safes to put into a garage, and corner the market.
Then when that guy gets too big for his britches and charges unreasonable prices, someone else will open up to undercut him.
It’s the cycle of life in capitalism. I’ll give an example since I couldn’t care less about the business and out them . Davis Shooting Sports in Orange County is too big for their britches. They charge an exorbitant amount for their guns and transfer fees. I go to Thruway Sporting Goods instead for gun purchases and Masterclass for transfers. I only frequent their business for one reason only. That is too sight in my rifles since they have the only public 100 yard range in town. Once someone else opens a 100 yard range nearby, I’ll never step foot in there again.
ExMember_4526
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Lots of people think they’re Capitalists, but when they realize they can’t always successfully compete, the inner Karl Marx in them comes out and whines that life’s not fair! That’s a reaction pattern I’ve noticed among some people who get “slapped” by the “Invisible Hand”!
But the regulations definitely don’t help the economy! Not to mention that they infringe on our right to keep & bear... It would be nice if this motivated us to challenge these unconstitutional policies!
Capitalism = Good!
But the regulations definitely don’t help the economy! Not to mention that they infringe on our right to keep & bear... It would be nice if this motivated us to challenge these unconstitutional policies!
Capitalism = Good!
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Curious what was their mark ups on the ammo and accessories boots hats thermal underwear jackets gloves? Maybe that was their intention. the classic Burgerking 10cent burger, and 1.50 coke. My thinking is its easyier to double the price on a $3 item than on a 1K item
tc556guy
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When a place like Buds or Grabagun are able to sell a gun for less than what I pay as a small FFL, you know that they're getting some steeply discounted prices based on volume.
Same with the ammo
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Oh hell yeah they are, They can afford to warehouse them , they can come up with millions to buy them at them cheaper prices and sit on them Smaller guys need a faster rotation on their inventory , they cant afford to put that kind of money on one rifle and sit for 2 years or more to move them .
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I can remember when two individuals could come together and after some negotiation, freely exchange personal private property for money.
This is what we have become?
Robin
This is what we have become?
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Bustedknees
.308 Win
Curious to what dealers think of Davidson's Gallery of Guns ? It's online shopping, competitive as you pick the dealer with the best price. I'm guessing the transfer fees are waved when buying. Not sure if the dealer still makes as much profit ? Prices for the buyer are not as goods as Buds , CDNN,, Grab a Gun though, but again no transfer fee and I can't remember who pays shipping.
Bustedknees
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Wolf Sporting Goods
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no idea when they open but I'm looking forward to another outdoors store in Oneida .
www.wolfsportinggoods.com
MikeyCNY
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Wolf Sporting Goods
Wolf Sporting Goods. 617 likes · 1 talking about this. Gun and ammo specialist.
no idea when they open but I'm looking forward to another outdoors store in Oneida .
www.wolfsportinggoods.com
Interesting, that's fairly close to me. Will have to check them out when they open. Indoor rifle range would be sweet.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
My wife said it's the same folks who own Wolf Oak Acres on Creek Rd. An old farm turned wedding venue .
tc556guy
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The problem arises when one party has gotten used to the low overhead internet-only seller selling in volume on thin margins, and thinks that the local FFL should be able to match that. What used to be the wholesale price is expected to be the retail price
Whoever is more convenient and less expensive is who gets my money.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
The problem has already arisen, when a man cannot freely acquire or dispose of his personal property without the government being involved.
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tc556guy
.40 S&W
That's an entirely different issue, unrelated to the question of the thread
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Maybe more than you realize.
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CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Guess I am going to ask how you guys that hate LGS are fairing under Kingy's shut down. Because we are small, we are doing some hours and I am working LOTS of hours trying to FIND ammo and guns. black guns and shotguns are really in demand. BTW, we are getting business from CNY and from way North AND I ususally can beat Buds and we carry Military rifles. I also have encountered companies that will not ship to NY because of the shut down. Good luck getting that ammo when they won't ship. Hope some here remember that. Look around and find a decent shop.
As for making hundreds of dollars an hour doing transfers, lololololol!!!!
As for making hundreds of dollars an hour doing transfers, lololololol!!!!
tc556guy
.40 S&W
Yeah I always have to laugh at the "hundreds of dollars an hour for a few minutes work" type stuff that pops up on gun forums.
As for the ammo, I don't know how long you've been in business. I put a bunch of stuff on back order with my primary vendors, and my sales reps cold call me when they think that they have something I could use. AS a result my shelves have plenty of ammo...
With some counties issuing coupons by mail again, I've gone ahead and started doing transfers when they have a coupon. If the state wants to pitch a bitch about that, maybe they should talk first with the county. Those coupons have a finite life span, and the handgun has already been added to the persons permit. Let them take possession of the damn thing...
I have never hated the local guys or the small/medium and large stores.
I can only wish all the best in the businesses that they are in.
I hold my money earned very tight. I have a decent amount, but it is not never ending. I only have so much to spread around. I spread my money around in ways that it will last me the longer and get the most bang for my buck.
Let me toss out one example...
DD's ranch sells AR mags. 10rd mags are $19. 30rd mags are $24. I can buy the same mags online at $11 and $12, many stores on line have free shipping. Why would I go to these stores in person to spend twice the money. I do not want to see these stores close, I want them to make some money; more importantly, I want my dollar to stretch as far as possible.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Who says I need a local shop for ammo? I'll just have it shipped to my house?..
And no one here HATES local shops
LMS
.357 mag
@tc556guy, what do you thing is a legit ask of an LGS? I am a believer in trying to give the local guy business but also want to not overpay. I'm not talking about pinching pennies, but if it's between saving $150 on a $1000 gun, that's hard to ignore. What's reasonable, from your perspective?