Are Things Heating Up In Iran?

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

"Maximum Pressure" Campaign and the odd comment from Trump about obliterating Iran if they attempt assassination.

National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2

MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE THE ATTORNEY

www.whitehouse.gov

If Iran attempts assassination, 'they get obliterated': President Trump

President Donald Trump sent a strong message to Iran on Tuesday, noting the country would be "obliterated" if he is killed in retribution.

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[Cooolone]

Iran should have been a glass parking lot a long long time ago!

So heating up? Nah... Just putting them back in place where they belong!

Not like the previous administration that loosened the noose and gave them billions back that no other previous administration would do, and with good reason!

So... Because I remember Beirut and more!

FUCK Iran!!!

 

[tirwin1]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

 

[spat]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

You're not wrong, but it's very rare for regime change in the middle east to actually improve anything.

You've got about 80% odds that the new guys will be even worse.

 

[tirwin1]

You're not wrong, but it's very rare for regime change in the middle east to actually improve anything.

You've got about 80% odds that the new guys will be even worse.

Actually I think it couldn't get worse. A typical greedy dictator would be better than the gang of religious zealots they have now. The west would throw him all kinds of money if he simply stopped funding terror and focused on banging hot chicks and assembling fleets of expensive cars. I think the west is dying to have a predictably greedy power mad dictator in place of the mullah nutjobs.

 

[spat]

Actually I think it couldn't get worse. A typical greedy dictator would be better than the gang of religious zealots they have now. The west would throw him all kinds of money if he simply stopped funding terror and focused on banging hot chicks and assembling fleets of expensive cars. I think the west is dying to have a predictably greedy power mad dictator in place of the mullah nutjobs.

I doubt the people in charge are especially religious.

It's just that religious zealotry is the most effective way to rule a totalitarian state.

I think it's just like the left here when they trot out "those poor children" or "those evil rich guys". They pay lip service to all sorts of things, but the only religion they actually observe is power.

 

[stokes]

I don't know if they are currently but it's a very safe bet they will be at some point in the future.

I think there are enough people there that want to overthrow the mullahs. If we could support that in some way that would be fine. Imagine the consequences if Iran ceased being the source of so much trouble and what it would mean for not just the middle east but the rest of the world.

Exactly how we got where we are today with Iran. Remember the Shah?

 

[tirwin1]

Exactly how we got where we are today with Iran. Remember the Shah?

Of course. He was light years better than the mullah nutjobs.

I'm not saying it's ideal in any way. Ideally there would be a representative democracy that came to power. I don't consider that a realistic option. The current regime in iran is a cruel overlord of its citizens and one of (if not THE) most destabilizing force in the world (certainly in the mideast). A regime that simply stopped funding terrorism would be 10x better than what is in place now, even if it was a cruel and petty dictatorship like Romania under Ceausescu. Sad but true.

 

[stokes]

Of course. He was light years better than the mullah nutjobs.

Not saying he wasnt, just that it didnt work out well the last time we installed someone in that hell hole. It'll just be a vicious cycle starting all over

 

[stokes]

We need to burn them to the ground and then let them rebuild, but this time around dont arm these goat fucking neanderthals. Let them go back to warring with each other with swords and camels.

 

[Saltwater60]

Iran should have been a glass parking lot a long long time ago!

So heating up? Nah... Just putting them back in place where they belong!

Not like the previous administration that loosened the noose and gave them billions back that no other previous administration would do, and with good reason!

So... Because I remember Beirut and more!

FUCK Iran!!!

I say ice skating rink because it sounds nicer and I came to say the same thing. I hope it’s heating up to nuclear temperatures

 

[spat]

We need to burn them to the ground and then let them rebuild, but this time around dont arm these goat fucking neanderthals. Let them go back to warring with each other with swords and camels.

The difference between Germany and Japan after WWII compared to all the "nation building" we've done since is that we didn't skip the demolition phase of the rebuild for Germany and Japan.

If you want to turn a tyrannical despotism into a free modern nation, you have to utterly destroy the despots before you start doing anything else.

And you absolutely have to be willing to accept some pretty horrific levels of civilian casualties.

 

[GOPerfect]

Are Things Heating Up In Iran? NOPE!​

 

[96coal449]

Curious. If the US dollar was back on the gold standard, would Iran's relations with the US be different?

 

[tirwin1]

The difference between Germany and Japan after WWII compared to all the "nation building" we've done since is that we didn't skip the demolition phase of the rebuild for Germany and Japan.

If you want to turn a tyrannical despotism into a free modern nation, you have to utterly destroy the despots before you start doing anything else.

And you absolutely have to be willing to accept some pretty horrific levels of civilian casualties.

A key difference in World War 2 was the media was solidly behind the government. I'm not sure if they were aware of the civilian casualties the allies inflicted on germany and japan. If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

The israelis unfortunately can't do what is required in terms of civilian casualties because the worldwide media is solidly against them and almost gleeful when a civilian is killed in gaza.

 

[stokes]

If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

It was a different era. Civilian casualties and collateral damage were accepted results of war. If killing the enemy was the objective they had no problem killing any people that supported that enemy and happened to be in the way.

 

[spat]

A key difference in World War 2 was the media was solidly behind the government. I'm not sure if they were aware of the civilian casualties the allies inflicted on germany and japan. If they were there was very little outrage, probably none in the case of Japan because of pearl harbor.

The israelis unfortunately can't do what is required in terms of civilian casualties because the worldwide media is solidly against them and almost gleeful when a civilian is killed in gaza.

Well, they can, they just need to decide they don't give a fuck what the media says.

 

[spat]

It was a different era. Civilian casualties and collateral damage were accepted results of war. If killing the enemy was the objective they had no problem killing any people that supported that enemy and happened to be in the way.

It was also total war.

Basically civilians were as much a part of the war effort as anyone else.

Nobody questions the right to bomb a munitions factory during a war, even though it's all civilians who work there.

Once you are in a total war situation, then *everyone* is serving a war industry like that.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I think Iran will ultimately try to avoid a war while Trump is in office. They know they only have to drag it out for 4 years.

Trump threatens to bomb Iran unless they end nuclear weapons program and begin talks on new deal

Trump warned Iran after sending a letter to revive nuclear talks. With "maximum pressure" back on the table, tensions between the two nations continue to rise.

www.foxnews.com

 

[stokes]

I think Iran will ultimately try to avoid a war while Trump is in office. They know they only have to drag it out for 4 years.

Trump threatens to bomb Iran unless they end nuclear weapons program and begin talks on new deal

Trump warned Iran after sending a letter to revive nuclear talks. With "maximum pressure" back on the table, tensions between the two nations continue to rise.

www.foxnews.com

That surely would be in their best interest, I dont think Trump would send troops in for a ground war, just total annihilation from the air. I'm also not sure he wouldnt nuke the bastards and be done with it.

 

[Zerex]

Aw shucks, we shore did get rid of dem nukes......................DESTROY ISRAEL.............


BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN.................a joint effort by Israel, and our B2 bombers already at Diego Garcia.....

 

[holdover]

Im not sure Iran is going to comply, There is also a very good chance they already have nukes , either bought from N. Korea, or on the black market after the fall of the Soviet union or simply Have all the parts ready to be assembled. They have demonstrated the ability to hit targets in Isreal , and could hit the airfields in Diego Garcia. Iraq Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have stated that no US airbases on their soil or air space can be used for attacks on Iran .


(AP) — Iran’s president said Sunday that the Islamic Republic rejected direct negotiations with the United States over its rapidly advancing nuclear program, offering Tehran’s first response to a letter that U.S. President Donald Trump sent to the country’s supreme leader.

“We don’t avoid talks; it’s the breach of promises that has caused issues for us so far,” Pezeshkian said in televised remarks during a Cabinet meeting. “They must prove that they can build trust.”

Trump said before Pezeshkian’s comments that he was considering military action and secondary tariffs, if Iran doesn’t agree to a nuclear deal.

“If they don’t make a deal, there will be bombing and it will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before,” Trump said in a comment aired Sunday by NBC News.

Iran rejects direct nuclear negotiations with the U.S. in response to Trump's letter

President Masoud Pezeshkian said that Iran's response, delivered via the sultanate of Oman, left open the possibility of indirect negotiations with Washington. However, such talks have made no progress since Trump in his first term unilaterally withdrew the U.S. from Tehran's nuclear deal with...

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The best thing Trump can do is place sanctions on them , The worst thing is get embroiled in another war We cant really win . Im sure We could kicked the shit out of thier military like we did with Iraq, Vietnam , but ultimately it becomes a drain on the economy and We have to leave.