ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name

[Criticalt]

Ive been out of the loop lately but got a big surprise today.
Went to Runnings in Jamestown NY to buy a handgun. After I picked the gun I wanted and after handing the clerk my drivers license and NYS pistol permit, she asked of I had anything with my middle name spelled out. I said no but had multiple government issued documents with my name and address.....drivers license, NYS pisol permit, PA pistol permit, car insurance, car registration......but none spelled out my middle name, just had initial.
She said it was a new federal law that to buy a gun you must have a government issued document with your middle name spelled out.
She said I could go to their customer service and buy a 1 day fishing license for $5 and have them spell out my middle name.
I asked her, "So if I come back here with a fishing license that has "Sylvester" spelled out, I can buy a gun?"
She said YES!!
Thats very odd because my middle name is not Sylvester I told her.
But how would they know, they would be taking my word for it. All my documents just say "S".
Anyways, is this a law or not?

 

[Cavalry]

I use to know a guy whose first and middle name was Andy R. He told the story as it was his fathers doing that anytime he used his legal name that he would be questioned if it was Andrew and what what the R was short for. Nope just Andy R.
No clue if your Runnings debacle is true, but Andy is going to have a hard time if it is.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yes new FFL 4473 requirements is no middle initials, either (iirc) nothing at all for your middle name OR the whole middle name spelled out

 

[Edwardteach72]

It came into effect back in November and there was a thread about it

 

[Criticalt]

Yes new FFL 4473 requirements is no middle initials, either (iirc) nothing at all for your middle name OR the whole middle name spelled out

But she said I had to have a document with my middle name spelled out.
At runnings you fill out the info on a computer yourself. I would of course spell out my middle name, I always have because it has always said to.
Why would I five a false middle name to NICS, it would be denied.
She said I could go up front and get a fishing license and tell them to spell out my middle name. Up front they would be taking my word about my middle name....why couldnt the clerk just take my word for it?
She doesnt even need to type it, I do all the typing.
The 4473 has always said to spell out middle name but ive never needed proof for the clerk.

 

[Bigfoot]

What if someone does not have a middle name at all?

My 79 year old mother does not have one.

 

[stokes]

When I picked up a rifle transferred from out of state the girl at the LGS just asked me for my middle name, didnt insist on any ID with it.I think Runnings just figured a way to get you to spring for a fishing license you dont need.

 

[libertysnake]

Yes new FFL 4473 requirements is no middle initials, either (iirc) nothing at all for your middle name OR the whole middle name spelled out

Seriously? Well then I need to have the pistol permit office issue me a new license. They changed the rule, they should send out a valid license.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Seriously? Well then I need to have the pistol permit office issue me a new license. They changed the rule, they should send out a valid license.

It has nothing to do with NYS and each countie permit, it has to do with the federal 4473

 

[libertysnake]

It has nothing to do with NYS and each countie permit, it has to do with the federal 4473

I need to figure out something then to get my full name on something. Maybe the new drivers licenses have your middle initial spelled out.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I need to figure out something then to get my full name on something. Maybe the new drivers licenses have your middle initial spelled out.

Drivers license

 

[libertysnake]

Drivers license

Yeah mine doesn't have the initial spelled out.

 

[FLA45fan]

What if someone does not have a middle name at all?

My 79 year old mother does not have one.

No middle name = NMN
says it on the form

 

[ProgSpear]

what happens if someone uses the initial from their maiden name as a middle initial? (crap! that was SOOO sexist)

 

[S&W Fan]

Just more Runnings Bullshit. As you have already said , when you fill out the form you already write your middle name out. ( as do I )
. Other than on the 4473 form there is NO requirement to show your full middle name on a legal document to a cashier jockey.
FUCK runnings

 

[Mr. terzmo]

It has nothing to do with NYS and each countie permit, it has to do with the federal 4473

Then why would a local fishing license work or any non federal document. If it applies to the Feds..then they could send a replacement SS card with the name spelled out in full. The gun grabbers think of this ?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Then why would a local fishing license work or any non federal document. If it applies to the Feds..then they could send a replacement SS card with the name spelled out in full. The gun grabbers think of this ?

Am I an FFL? Why don't you ask the ATF its their new rule

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Am I an FFL? Why don't you ask the ATF its their new rule

You stated it had nothing to do with NY State...I only submitted how can a NY State ID satisfy a Fed requirement. Much too sensitive

 

[Edwardteach72]

You stated it had nothing to do with NY State...I only submitted how can a NY State ID satisfy a Fed requirement. Much too sensitive

Probably the same way a drivers license had in the past, pretty simple tbh

 

[spat]

What if my full middle name *is* just "R" ?

Imagine the trouble Bea Arthur would have had if she just spelled her first name B ?

 

[spat]

Then why would a local fishing license work or any non federal document. If it applies to the Feds..then they could send a replacement SS card with the name spelled out in full. The gun grabbers think of this ?

Just get one of these...

"Official Sealand Identity Card - Principality Of Sealand Card" Official Sealand Identity Card - Principality Of Sealand Card


It said "government document". They didn't say *what* government ?

Would a library card work ? I think those are cheap and easy...

 

[Saltwater60]

What if someone does not have a middle name at all?

My 79 year old mother does not have one.

My father doesn’t either.

 

[Saltwater60]

Funny my drivers license has my middle name spelled out on it. I think it always has.

 

[Robin]

Was she hot?
Robin M. Efer

 

[prambo]

What if my full middle name *is* just "R" ?

Imagine the trouble Bea Arthur would have had if she just spelled her first name B ?

I knew a guy named Stuart Z. *******. I asked him what the Z stood for - he said it stood for nothing, but it was on his birth certificate.

His parents just thought it looked "cool".

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

My middle name is Danger....

 

[Darth]

Gof Uck Urself, Esq.

 

[spat]

I knew a guy named Stuart Z. *******. I asked him what the Z stood for - he said it stood for nothing, but it was on his birth certificate.

His parents just thought it looked "cool".

Anyone remember the episode of MASH where they were trying to find out what the BJ in BJ Hunnicutt stood for ?

Spoiler alert for a 40 years old show...

Turns out BJ *was* his name. He was named after his parents Bea and Jay.

 

[Acer-m14]

I haven't spelled out my middle name in 40+ yrs .. i forgot how to spell it ..

let me try .. ReallyBigDick or is it ReallySmallDick .. i don't think either is correct but would look awesome on a 4473 .. lol

 

[libertysnake]

I haven't spelled out my middle name in 40+ yrs .. i forgot how to spell it ..

let me try .. ReallyBigDick or is it ReallySmallDick .. i don't think either is correct but would look awesome on a 4473 .. lol

Too much complexity. You want something a little stranger. John "Throbbin" Doe. Have people scratching their heads thinking "I mean, it looks like a name. I've never heard of anyone named Throbbin though..."