Bad DGU: Warning Shots And A Shot In The Face
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@thewheels
.308 Win
The mighty .22 stopped the threat. Not sure why you'd waste ammo on warning shots. Especially with a .22 revolver. You may want those back.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Neat. Any gun of any caliber is better than nothing.
Online caliber wars are fine. But, even a diehard 10mm purist will certainly grab a loaded .22LR revolver if that is all that is available to stand between them and a bad guy intent on doing bad things.
Online caliber wars are fine. But, even a diehard 10mm purist will certainly grab a loaded .22LR revolver if that is all that is available to stand between them and a bad guy intent on doing bad things.
These caliber wars on the internet, I find to be very funny. The ones who spout the most "Facts" have never used a firearm for its' intended purposes.
Those who fight and argue the most have never had to use a gun!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Exactly.
Also, I've noticed that in most defensive use videos, all "proper sight acquisition" is completely out the window. The winner of the conflict frequently appears to be the one that can get off the largest number of shots in the direction of their adversary from behind whatever cover they can find. I don't think I've seen a single defensive use video where the good guy had a standard two-handed grip on a firearm.
This reminds me that I must start practicing real defensive shooting at the range (single handed strong and weak hand mag dumps at 7 yards) and stop pretending that my compact single-stack 9mm pistols are target pistols. Screw "bulls eyes." I think I need rapidly fired 5-inch groupings.
Safe to assume that if an everyday gun owner ever found himself in a self defense shooting, that person would not be aiming.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
One of my near-daily dry fire drills is to pick out a spot in my closet, grab an empty pistol, and quickly aim and fire all in one movement. After the "shot," I keep the pistol fixed in position and adjust my head to line up the sights and find out where I'm actually aiming. With enough practice, I'm sure anybody can whip around, point, and shoot a round within a few inches of where they would like to aim...without using any sights at all. So, am I practicing to hit quarters at 10 yards? Heck, no. But...I think I can quickly get at least a few rounds on target (the size of a chest), from concealment, in a few seconds.
Edit: I've found that a laser training pistol, or pistol with a laser cartridge, is useful for reinforcing POI at close range.
Too many people think that training is done while standing in front of a paper target shooting bullets straight. Hell, anyone can hit paper.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
That's why I've taken several defensive pistol courses. The recent Onsight Firearms Training (OFT) course "Cover and Concealment" was excellent. We shot from many positions (and...I hate prone, btw). There were several LEOs in the course the day that I attended. They said that the information and practice was very useful and was not routinely taught to police that should have this training.
Cleanest kill I ever witnessed was with a .25 caliber handgun from 7-10 feet. Shot in the heart through a jacket. Not a drop of blood and DRT.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
During a pathology course, I saw an autopsy on an 18-year old man who'd been shot once in the right side of the head with a .22LR at very close range. The bullet didn't even make it out the left side of his head (the pathologist retrieved the bullet trapped by the skin on the strong soft tissues on the left side of his head). Just a trickle of blood from his nose where the bullet had impacted the cribiform plate). During the autopsy, detective was taking finger prints from the deceased. There was a question as to whether the death was a suicide or a murder.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Some served in the military just like you and didn't just shoot paper but that isn't the point.
A cop can witness a .25 ACP reach vitals under one scenario yet fail to witness another scenario where the .25 ACP went through a shoulder from the opposite side and failed to reach vitals. In that case, the cop is no expert at all.
That's like saying that because you once saw a guy get hit by a car and died that all car crashes are fatal and you are an expert because you witnessed the death.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Some guys that shoot paper only but educate themselves know more about ballistics than a guy who has seen 3 or 4 gunshot wounds and fired his duty weapon twice.
That's fact.
That's fact.
Don't use me because he said something you don't like. That's not really nice. Especially when I only addressed having seen a small caliber kill someone, not like I posted .25 is a guanteed man stopper.
Hell one of the first gunshots I ever saw on the job was a 9mm to the forehead and the bullet traveled just under his skin and exited behind and ear with nearly no damage and just a slight headache.
Maybe that makes me an expert on two calibers now?
And since I now have to be defensive, I've seen waaay more than 3 people shot. And my number includes 1 cop, a few shot by cops, a guy who shot himself while struggling over the gun with me, and numerous with various calibers who lived or died.
I've even dealt with people shot where we weren't sure what the injury was at first.
I've even dealt with people shot where we weren't sure what the injury was at first.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I didn't mean you specifically. I just used your caliber and experience with it as an example.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i must be the odd ball , i flinch , sneeze , jerk the trigger lots more then i want to with paper .. now if its a moving target .. i'm on it .. no time to think sneeze jerk or flinch .. LOL .. Growing up woodchuck hunting always love shooting them on the run with the 22 ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
isn't the 22 the only round that if taken in the thigh , hits the femur , ricochets up thru the intestines , plays pinball off the ribs and takes out the heart LOL ..
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Agreed. Good book if you train after reading
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1530255376/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That's exactly why I practice now with plates and never "aim". I start with draw and shoot, one round at a time, with the goal of having my whole system put the round on target. I progress to 5-target transitions done as quickly as possible with as little aiming and movement as possible.
soylentBlue
.357 mag
Stopped the threat without killing him. Don't let Cuomo find out or he'll declare "No One Needs!" anything larger than .22 for defensive use.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Just whipping your hand around and firing a weapon not knowing where your head is pointing and eyes are aiming is a good practice?? Man I guess I'm doing it all wrong
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
No, no, no. I acquire the target that is behind me with a head turn....then bring the practice pistol around and put it on target without using the sights. After all, I'm not too good at using sonar echolocation to find my targets.Just whipping your hand around and firing a weapon not knowing where your head is pointing and eyes are aiming is a good practice?? Man I guess I'm doing it all wrong
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Ahhhh now I capish!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just stating fact about calibers, experts, and so forth. That is all.
<sigh> another good thread trashed by ego. "When will they ever learn...."