Biden to use defense production act for baby formula

[Saltwater60]

Only three months late or so and said he acted accordingly and not too late this indicates it’s worse than we all new and he acted way too late. He probably just woke up from his nap. Biden invokes Defense Production Act to boost baby formula manufacturing to ease shortage

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I bet we can guess which segment of the food industry is going to have the next big fire at a manufacturing facility.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Justincase]

Well, if they didn’t stockpile it at the freaking border it likely wouldn’t be as big of an issue.

 

[SomeSoldier]

This is a terrible idea. I am starting to see a pattern. The gov has no business interfering with the free market.

 

[Acer-m14]

PHOTOS: Mexico’s Shelves are Stocked with Baby Formula amid U.S. Shortage – [your]NEWS

As the Biden Administration is slow to respond to a severe shortage of baby formula in the United States, stores throughout Mexico are fully stocked especially with the high-demand Enfamil brand.

yournews.com

 

[spat]

Only three months late or so and said he acted accordingly and not too late this indicates it’s worse than we all new and he acted way too late. He probably just woke up from his nap. Biden invokes Defense Production Act to boost baby formula manufacturing to ease shortage

His administration shut down 1/3 of the manufacturing capacity in the country on a hunch.

They didn't find any actual source of contamination, they just shut down the plant because 4 kids who used that formula got sick.

That sounds good until you realize 1/3 of all the kids in the country used formula from that plant, so no matter what the source of the bacteria was they are likely to have use that formula.

That's like shutting down Ford because 4 kids who rode in Ford cars got sick.

FDA Warns Consumers Not to Use Certain Powdered Infant Formula Produced in Abbott Nutrition’s Facility in Sturgis, Michigan

The FDA is investigating consumer complaints of Cronobacter sakazakii infections and one consumer complaint of infection of Salmonella Newport potentially linke

www.fda.gov

 

[Grimscale]

That's like shutting down Ford because 4 kids who rode in Ford cars got sick.

Or like shutting down Pfizer because....
Oh, wait...

 

[Saltwater60]

This is a terrible idea. I am starting to see a pattern. The gov has no business interfering with the free market.

Funny thing is Biden and the liberals keep saying they aren’t. The EV battery one is hilarious because we have other means of transportation. He did that to take care of his buddies doing his bidding. So yeah this is terrifying.

 

[Saltwater60]

His administration shut down 1/3 of the manufacturing capacity in the country on a hunch.

They didn't find any actual source of contamination, they just shut down the plant because 4 kids who used that formula got sick.

That sounds good until you realize 1/3 of all the kids in the country used formula from that plant, so no matter what the source of the bacteria was they are likely to have use that formula.

That's like shutting down Ford because 4 kids who rode in Ford cars got sick.

FDA Warns Consumers Not to Use Certain Powdered Infant Formula Produced in Abbott Nutrition’s Facility in Sturgis, Michigan

The FDA is investigating consumer complaints of Cronobacter sakazakii infections and one consumer complaint of infection of Salmonella Newport potentially linke

www.fda.gov

This is frightening because this is the way they are going. They did the same with the lettuce and told everyone in the USA not to eat romaine lettuce even though they knew nothing of where the contamination was coming from. That damaged the industry beyond repair for years. There was an issue there so I get it, but you can’t just say everyone and every producer is the issue when it was just one.
Also from what I understand the FDA was on site when the bad or contaminated formula was produced. I also understand that they did find contamination in the formula and it was traced back to the Abbott facility. I’ll have to read your article.
It’s hard to say because two different types of formula has two different types of contamination. That’s a red flag for me. Also many infants only consume this and nothing else so the age of the kids sick and some other background would be interesting. I’d be curious to see if these kids live on a farm or have backyard chickens. Also the water source used would be interesting to know, city or well?
Also keep in mind tracing back to the source can be complicated and very difficult to find. This formula could have been made months ago so the issue could be resolved already.

 

[spat]

This is frightening because this is the way they are going. They did the same with the lettuce and told everyone in the USA not to eat romaine lettuce even though they knew nothing of where the contamination was coming from. That damaged the industry beyond repair for years. There was an issue there so I get it, but you can’t just say everyone and every producer is the issue when it was just one.
Also from what I understand the FDA was on site when the bad or contaminated formula was produced. I also understand that they did find contamination in the formula and it was traced back to the Abbott facility. I’ll have to read your article.
It’s hard to say because two different types of formula has two different types of contamination. That’s a red flag for me. Also many infants only consume this and nothing else so the age of the kids sick and some other background would be interesting. I’d be curious to see if these kids live on a farm or have backyard chickens. Also the water source used would be interesting to know, city or well?
Also keep in mind tracing back to the source can be complicated and very difficult to find. This formula could have been made months ago so the issue could be resolved already.

What you say is true, but no matter how you figure it shutting down a facility that produces millions of portions a day because you found 4 or 5 instances of an illness that may possibly be linked to it over several weeks timeline is stupid.

I bet way more kids have been injured from the shortage that ever were from the contamination, and that's assuming it even happened there, and not in the homes.

 

[Saltwater60]

What you say is true, but no matter how you figure it shutting down a facility that produces millions of portions a day because you found 4 or 5 instances of an illness that may possibly be linked to it over several weeks timeline is stupid.

I bet way more kids have been injured from the shortage that ever were from the contamination, and that's assuming it even happened there, and not in the homes.

I agree and disagree. If they made changes and things are safe to open up yes open up and produce. If they didn’t make changes then keep them closed. I get it’s a low amount of kids, but it’s not worth the risk.

The shortage is because the FDA and Biden admin screwed up and have no foresight. It’s not hard to figure out if we pull X amount off the market we will be short X amount and need to produce or import more. Also there is plenty of formula out there, but the labeling requirement doesn’t allow it to enter the country. So what do we do, allow people to starve or serve them unsafe formula? No, we change or suspend the labeling requirement and make the distribution and supermarket post a sign with the required information at the point of sale. It’s easily remedied, but no one can think in our government.

 

[spat]

I agree and disagree. If they made changes and things are safe to open up yes open up and produce. If they didn’t make changes then keep them closed. I get it’s a low amount of kids, but it’s not worth the risk.

The shortage is because the FDA and Biden admin screwed up and have no foresight. It’s not hard to figure out if we pull X amount off the market we will be short X amount and need to produce or import more. Also there is plenty of formula out there, but the labeling requirement doesn’t allow it to enter the country. So what do we do, allow people to starve or serve them unsafe formula? No, we change or suspend the labeling requirement and make the distribution and supermarket post a sign with the required information at the point of sale. It’s easily remedied, but no one can think in our government.

We have no evidence that facility was even responsible.

How many other things did those kids have in common ?

Were any of the batches of product even tested ? Or was this just some typical knee jerk reaction from bureaucratic morons who need to find a reason and don't care one bit if it's the right one ?

How many kids nation wide have gotten sick with those bacteria since they shut this down ? Did the number even drop ?

 

[Saltwater60]

We have no evidence that facility was even responsible.

How many other things did those kids have in common ?

Were any of the batches of product even tested ? Or was this just some typical knee jerk reaction from bureaucratic morons who need to find a reason and don't care one bit if it's the right one ?

How many kids nation wide have gotten sick with those bacteria since they shut this down ? Did the number even drop ?

I would say there is very good evidence it came from the plant. The fda found the bacteria in the environment and Abbott themselves found it in finished product in 2019 and 2020. Now with that being said they can check the DNA fingerprint of the bacteria to make sure it matches, did they? Yes and it doesn’t match. To complicate it even further the samples taken from the children don’t match each other. standard procedure at this point and that fingerprint goes into a database to track that specific strain of that bacteria/pathogen.
Abbott has also agreed they were lacking in areas and are working to address those concerns. I wouldn’t think they would have that attitude if they weren’t at fault. I would actually expect criminal charges based on the articles I have read. The FDA was there inspecting the plant for a reason. I worked for a food plant and the FDA was in there once and it was for a similar investigation based on faulty information provided by a purchaser of ours. The FDA was there for three days swabbing and found nothing in the environment. I know since I was directly involved in the entire process. The FDA isn’t perfect, but it sure seems like they have the right place based on what I’m reading.

Judge signs off on steps troubled baby formula manufacturer must take to restart closed plant

A federal judge has signed off on a legally binding agreement between the United States Food and Drug Administration and the baby formula manufacturer Abbott Nutrition, the company at the heart of a nationwide formula recall.

amp.cnn.com

When you take all this into consideration it’s 50/50 IMO if it’s Abbott’s fault or not. I’ll investigate this bacteria further since it was never a concern in regards to the food I was dealing with so I don’t know much about it. It’s not a stretch for different strains to be found in a plant, but the samples taken from the kids shouldn’t be different IMO. One may never know.

 

[Jmac00]

America better catch on to the this bullshit: let's look at the scenario

1) government (Democrats) shuts down a industry --- baby formula, oil ~~~whatever
2) Government(Democrats) blames manufacturers or the industry as a whole
3) Government(Democrats) then causes a panic
4) Government (Democrats)now says they are going to save you and the country
5) Government (Democrats)screams from the mountain top "we saved you and your children ----vote for us"?

where have a heard this story before, uuuummmmm

 

[Jmac00]

and there is this brilliant piece of ingenuity?

Biden has also ordered the federal health and agriculture departments to use Defense Department aircraft to pick up infant formula from overseas

Tax payer dollars to 'rescue' American moms from the (manufactured) shortage

meanwhile, the Anti-Christ Bill Gates, develops a synthetic breastmilk as the shortage continues...... carry on, nothing to see here

 

[spat]

I would say there is very good evidence it came from the plant. The fda found the bacteria in the environment and Abbott themselves found it in finished product in 2019 and 2020. Now with that being said they can check the DNA fingerprint of the bacteria to make sure it matches, did they? Yes and it doesn’t match. To complicate it even further the samples taken from the children don’t match each other. standard procedure at this point and that fingerprint goes into a database to track that specific strain of that bacteria/pathogen.
Abbott has also agreed they were lacking in areas and are working to address those concerns. I wouldn’t think they would have that attitude if they weren’t at fault. I would actually expect criminal charges based on the articles I have read. The FDA was there inspecting the plant for a reason. I worked for a food plant and the FDA was in there once and it was for a similar investigation based on faulty information provided by a purchaser of ours. The FDA was there for three days swabbing and found nothing in the environment. I know since I was directly involved in the entire process. The FDA isn’t perfect, but it sure seems like they have the right place based on what I’m reading.

Judge signs off on steps troubled baby formula manufacturer must take to restart closed plant

A federal judge has signed off on a legally binding agreement between the United States Food and Drug Administration and the baby formula manufacturer Abbott Nutrition, the company at the heart of a nationwide formula recall.

amp.cnn.com

When you take all this into consideration it’s 50/50 IMO if it’s Abbott’s fault or not. I’ll investigate this bacteria further since it was never a concern in regards to the food I was dealing with so I don’t know much about it. It’s not a stretch for different strains to be found in a plant, but the samples taken from the kids shouldn’t be different IMO. One may never know.

The problem is that the people doing the shutting down have no concern about the cost of shutting down.

In this case they probably killed more kids with the shortage that were ever at risk from the bacteria.

Sure, maybe they need to fix something at the plant, but kids gotta eat too.

If your kid is literally starving, do you want some bureaucratic weenie pouring formula out on the ground in front of you because there's a 1 in a million chance your kid could get sick ?

 

[Saltwater60]

Ok it’s a tough call. If I’m the guy making the call I probably err on the side of caution and shit the plant down since the mortality rate of an infant is infected is very high. After reading the CDC site these infections are rare and this would account for the entire yearly reporting of this infection. However this is not an infection that is mandated to be reported so who really knows.
Other articles I have read indicate old and I cleanable equipment and detail it better than the CNN article does. If you don’t have equipment that can be cleaned and maintained then you can produce safe foods and that’s the bottom line honestly. What did they see? I don’t know. I can say the FDA is generally very slow to react and many legal hurdles need to be taken prior to shutting this place down. I would suspect that is why they were there so many times.
I get your point of shutting down the plant or starving infants, but there is an option C. We can import the formula we need from the UK by simply ignoring or changing the FDA labeling requirement. I would much rather change that than risk serving unsafe formula. All it is likely is the principle display panel or nutritional facts panel is missing something. That’s the route to go IMO instead of risking selling contaminated formula. No one wants to kill an infant of a parent that wants the kid.
What I find troubling is that none of the strains match even between the kids. Honestly I can’t see how they can blame Abbott for this after reading where this bacteria can be found and that’s pretty much anywhere.

Frequently Asked Questions | Cronobacter | CDC

General information about Cronobacter, including frequently asked questions.

www.cdc.gov

 

[libertysnake]

So let me get this straight -- we couldn't get companies to produce ventilators and masks fast enough here with this stupid decree by king bullshit -- what makes them think this will work any better?

Also, holding people at gunpoint and making them do the bidding of the government is exactly why we have the rights we have. This is no business of the government to rule our business lives via decree.

 

[Saltwater60]

So let me get this straight -- we couldn't get companies to produce ventilators and masks fast enough here with this stupid decree by king bullshit -- what makes them think this will work any better?

Also, holding people at gunpoint and making them do the bidding of the government is exactly why we have the rights we have. This is no business of the government to rule our business lives via decree.

I don’t know a ton about baby formula, but we have plenty of milk drying plants in the USA. We have the capacity, but they need the proper raw materials at the proper nutritional value. Shouldn’t be too complicated and is likely already being done hence why Biden did this. He needs a win.

 

[spat]

I don’t know a ton about baby formula, but we have plenty of milk drying plants in the USA. We have the capacity, but they need the proper raw materials at the proper nutritional value. Shouldn’t be too complicated and is likely already being done hence why Biden did this. He needs a win.

The problem is not a technical or logistics one. It's a bureaucratic one.

We can probably ramp up to produce 10x the amount of formula we need in a week. What we can't do is file all the paperwork necessary to allowed to do that.

The existing plant that provided this could certainly be turned back on faster than anything else could be retooled. It's all just government getting in the way.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Did I wake up in Venezuela today?

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

In food manufacturing, the requirements for compressed air that 'may' come in contact with food or food contact surfaces are stricter than the requirements for the quality of air for scuba diving.

Food manufacturing is an industry I don't know why people make a conscious decision to seek employment in. The regulations are ridiculous (most of them at least). The deeper a companies pockets are, the more likely they are to be hunted by the agencies.

 

[Saltwater60]

The problem is not a technical or logistics one. It's a bureaucratic one.

We can probably ramp up to produce 10x the amount of formula we need in a week. What we can't do is file all the paperwork necessary to allowed to do that.

The existing plant that provided this could certainly be turned back on faster than anything else could be retooled. It's all just government getting in the way.

For sure it’s a bureaucratic Problem. Again all they need to do is allow the formula from Europe in and bypass the label ruling. It’s not hard at all. That’s faster than anything. Biden could cancel the 17% tariff on baby formula from Canada and we could import it from there too.
I think the delay in Abbott plant is the equipment needs repair or replacement. I think that’s the delay. I’m not sure, but that’s what I get when I read the articles.

 

[Saltwater60]

Did I wake up in Venezuela today?

No they have formula.

 

[Saltwater60]

In food manufacturing, the requirements for compressed air that 'may' come in contact with food or food contact surfaces are stricter than the requirements for the quality of air for scuba diving.

Food manufacturing is an industry I don't know why people make a conscious decision to seek employment in. The regulations are ridiculous (most of them at least). The deeper a companies pockets are, the more likely they are to be hunted by the agencies.

You haven’t seen anything yet. Wait until the preventative controls act comes into play, well it actually is now. Food manufacturers that make over a certain dollar value have to know where every ingredient comes from and they need to know where the ingredients of their ingredients come from too. They all need to be from an approved supplier. So I get this if it’s coming from a shitty third world country, but if it’s coming from an equal or better country then why?

 

[livingston]

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans​

Comrades, Dear Leader Joe Biden cares about your well-being.

Today, the United States government is proud to announce the first ever emergency food shipments from international relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans - The Last Refuge

Today the United States Govt is proud to announce the first ever international emergency food shipments from relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[Acer-m14]

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans​

Comrades, Dear Leader Joe Biden cares about your well-being.

Today, the United States government is proud to announce the first ever emergency food shipments from international relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans - The Last Refuge

Today the United States Govt is proud to announce the first ever international emergency food shipments from relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

theconservativetreehouse.com

is it FDA approved for sale in the USA .. you all know how that works with stuff from overseas ..

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans​

Comrades, Dear Leader Joe Biden cares about your well-being.

Today, the United States government is proud to announce the first ever emergency food shipments from international relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

Biden Announces First Ever International Food Relief Shipments from Switzerland to Help Feed Hungry Americans - The Last Refuge

Today the United States Govt is proud to announce the first ever international emergency food shipments from relief agencies to help feed American citizens.

theconservativetreehouse.com

Hand delivered, and distributed by UN troops (I hope...)

 

[Saltwater60]

People better wake the fuck up. Sure Trump had mean tweets but people could drive and eat.