dwa12479
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The us/Mexico border is nearly 2,000 miles. Thats impossible to patrol solely with humans 24/7.
Border Wall Contractors Told to Stop Construction by Tuesday Night: Congressman
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dwa12479
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You obviously don't have kids.
I do. In the age range you noted. I don't let them out of the house unsupervised.
Sure it is possible.
dwa12479
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It only takes a moment with your back turned. Not saying I agree with the in-gro8nd fencing requirement, but the spirit of the building code is to protect kids, not criminals.
dwa12479
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Take me through the logistics then of having a monitoring tower ever 300 meters for 2,000 miles and switching out the personell every 8 to 12 hours. Id love to hear it.
It's easier to build a tower at every X meter interval than a continuous wall, so if that is feasible then less work for towers is too.
How are the construction workers getting there to build the continuous wall? The patrols can travel there by the same method as the workers would have used.
libertysnake
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I say we put Biden on the border. He'll sniff out those illegals, and they definitely won't come back.
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dwa12479
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No, I asked for the actual logistical plan to man a tower every 300 meters. Construction workers going to a site, doing a job, and leaving forever is not the same as rotating a continuous shift every 8-12 hours on a permanent basis in a remote location. How many CBP agents per tower? What are their rules of engagement? How will they travel to and from the outposts that are hundreds of miles from the nearest town?
The short term cost is high now, the long term cost is much more. Theres a reason that fast food chains are investing big money today in automated ordering stations.
Too bad someone didn't warn the Ming Dynasty before they wasted hundreds of years building thousands of miles of Wall for nothing.
You're proving my point without even knowing it. The great wall had 100,000+ soldiers in garrisons for hundreds of years. It wasn't just a wall they stuck there and then f'ed off. It wasn't so much a wall, it was more of a linear fort.
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dwa12479
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But there was a continuous wall....
And the soldiers didn't rotate out every 8-12 hours and go home.
To be fair, walls work......and work well.
From Israel to The Great Wall Of China, walls habe worked for centuries.
In fact, its kind of hard to find countries who dont have a wall to stop invasion or migration.
Just a few.....
Israel
Hungary
South Africa
South Korea
Egypt
Spain
Botswana
Kuwait
Yemen
India
Bulgaria
Iraq
Macedonia
Hong Kong
Zimbabwe
Poland
Afghanistan
Uzbekistan
Brunel
Saudi Arabia
And many more with either full walls or wall sections.
Also, dozens of other countries are in the process of building a wall, or a wall is proposed.
EVERY SINGLE USA border agency and EVERY SINGLE border wall study shows that walls work great.....every one.
A wall doesnt need to completely stop movement, walls can also slow progression long enough for humans to show up. Walls can also funnel movement to prefered areas. And walls can be a deterrent.
dwa12479
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But Trump wanted it, so walls are stupid. And so are oil pipelines. And so is a strong military and a booming economy. And oxygen. Its all stupid and none of it works.
No brainer! Why do you think the shitball Dems are so against it? They work!
Just wondering what would happen if, Texas, fer instance, simply stationed agents/police/guard on the border and authorized lethal force to deter invaders ?
I know some people who own property on the border.......thousands of acres of farm land. Its common knowledge down there but not really talked about.....and that is this......
Many landowners in Texas, NM and Arizona hire private security for their property.
They are so off the beaten path that the law is often.....um......taken into their own hands.
Lets just say there may be alot of unmarked graves close to the border......or so im told.
spat
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A fence makes it more difficult to sneak across.
It slows down the intruders giving the people guarding the border more time to react.
It makes it more expensive for the coyotes, forcing them to charge more to maintain their profit a
margin. Supply and demand causes illegal immigration to diminish.
Have you done a cost/benefit analysis on the various methods of reducing illegal immigration ? What is the optimum mix of strategies to maximize our effectiveness per tax dollar ?
What evidence do you have that other methods are superior to the wall ?
Are you familiar with the concept of "defense in depth" ? How about "force multiplier" ?
There is a reason medieval castles had both walls *and* guards. Neither is very effective without the other.
I believe the proof is clear.
Most of the countries I listed above have taken the energy and expense to maintain a wall for decades....if not centuries.
Add to that list THOUSANDS of cities, towns and villages.
After all the studies that have been done recently and the proof from other countries, to say walls dont work is either ignorant or trolling. My 3 year old nephew makes a wall between Darth Vader and He-Man while playing......a 3 year old knows.
Israel would be gone years ago without its walls, they are surrounded by very violent enemies.
And as you mentioned, a wall works with other forms of deterrent and protection.
The literal agents working on the literal border say that the wall is literally essential.
How do dudes on the internet in NYS know more than the men and women working on the border on a daily basis? Just baffling.
On a side note......in 20 years working with animals, about 3 have got out of a fenced area......out of thousands. Saving me lots of money and problems.