OP see what happens when you ask a serious question on this page........ I am sorry.
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
GuyMontag
.44 mag
BG, I've not shot the Bergara but the Tikka I have, and would be my pick given the increasing amount of aftermarket parts and support for the rifle when compared to the Bergara, but if you like an XLR chassis the Bergara might be right for you.
Tikka build guns with the right twists (unlike Remington) and their quality control far exceeds anything I've seen lately coming out of Ilion. I like their guns and believe public awareness of their quality will lead to even more options in the platform. Given the Bergara and Tikka are in the same ballpark price wise, I'd say it's pick em' depending on your personal preference and which chassis feels best for your ergos.
I'd contemplated buying a Bergara barreled action and putting it in a Cadex, but NOBODY at Bergara could even reply to an email request about the action fitting particular chassis', nor could one of their dealers I contacted, so I moved on from the Bergara.
One thing I do know without ANY question, and this isn't a product of my "anti-Rem bias" (pretty hilarious given how many Rem 700s I own) both the Tikka and Bergara are better out of the box, and anyone who's bought one can readily attest to that fact.
A properly tuned and blueprinted Remington will shoot as good or BETTER than any custom action, but that doesn't happen out of the box, and will cost you a fair amount to do, underscoring why a factory offering like a Tikka or Bergara makes far more sense for a buyer who wants plug and play utility.
knuts
.45 acp
Around 1k give or take for both the action and barrel. Which I'm thinking of getting a mcmillan stock now.
I actually want to build it myself instead of buying the stock and action together, just want to be able to experience doing it.
also, I prefer the rifle stock feel ergonomically instead of pistol grips, just my personal preference.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
@GuyMontag thx.
I have no real preference to chasis. I will either learn it or learn what i need to upgrade to, if at all.
I like having lots of after market choices.
Just for fun, is the RPR even in the same class at the Bergara or tikka?
Thx again
I have no real preference to chasis. I will either learn it or learn what i need to upgrade to, if at all.
I like having lots of after market choices.
Just for fun, is the RPR even in the same class at the Bergara or tikka?
Thx again
I would also argue, although its changing rapidly the Begara has more aftermarket support than the Tikka. This is only because the Begara is built on the 700 style action.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
I really couldn't say BG, but from what I've read about the RPR it's a very good value for your dollar, but needs upgrading like a Rem 700 to get the most out of the platform. No experience myself with the RPR but it's priced considerably lower than the Bergara or Tikka in a chassis, $1000 vs $1700.
Hypothetically, you could buy an entry level Tikka for under $600, take it out of the factory stock and put it in a chassis of your like, and you'd be under cost of a factory built Tikka that comes with a chassis. Hypothetical build: Cadex Field Core, Tikka barreled action, and Magpul stock gives you custom setup for less.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
You don't even listen to what the man said. You just want to offer up your own opinion. He wants to build a rifle off an ACTION. I'm offering him a way to get started without spending money on something that can't grow with him (i.e. your plan). Why is the Magpul stock a POS? Cause it's a $350 system so it can't possibly be good? Right. I also never said this stock is going to win you world titles. But it will get him started and allow him to learn the sport without blowing 1.5k on a rifle he'll chuck once he gets serious. That's how DD and BCM sells rifles too. 'A custom built $1200 AR cant possibly be better than our factory machined, mass produced $1800 rifles!' Good gear. But wayyyy overpriced in a market full of great options.
I'm not the one getting all uppity and snobbish on the internet so idk who youre calling a mall ninja. AI are fine stocks/chassis, but theyre also 3k which is beyond stupid in a market of KRG, XLR, Masterpiece Arms, and Manners all offering stocks or chassis systems under 1200. But continuing snobbing it up especially in a world where AI isnt even breaking 15% of users on the PRS circuit. Again. Paying for a name. McMillan included too. AI, and McMillan didnt even put a shooter in the top 10, XLR, KRG, Manners, and Masterpiece did. Whoa. I save 2Gs and clearly the gear is on the level or better. Holy shit. But please. Keep pushing tacticool stuff cause the man you jerk off too used it to kill Haji.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
@wdeister08 and the rest of the gang. I forgot about masterpiece arms. So now I got three to choose from, bergara, tikka, and masterpiece arms. What do you think? Which one ?
All I see is things getting more more expensive. I have all their masterpiece arms firearms. I like them. I like the owner. I have met him several times. Is his stuff that much better than the previous mention two?
I don’t want to build it. I apologize for the original poster, if I stole his thread.
All I see is things getting more more expensive. I have all their masterpiece arms firearms. I like them. I like the owner. I have met him several times. Is his stuff that much better than the previous mention two?
I don’t want to build it. I apologize for the original poster, if I stole his thread.
I have no experience with either. I am a Rem 700 guy so I just upgrade that platform to what I want.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
MPA is just more modular cause it can be built more to you. Bergara, is the "new" Savage BA, RPR factor PR. Tikkas are similar. But they're all more expensive to start, and they arent built for you, the individual. Once you have the 700 action, you can do whatever you want with it. If you catch DSG at the right time, they run a R700 ADL special for under $400 after a rebate. That's cheaper than buying an action off Brownells with the transfer fee not even included, and you can sell the stock trigger, barrel, and stock to recoup some more cash. You also just have more options, and thus while pricey, still cheap as you have diversity of choice.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
There's so many companies now that offer quality truing/blueprinting it's amazing. Midwest Gunworks will true and install a barreled action you provided for under $400. Hard to beat.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Hi,
I have to agree with @GuyMontag .
The first question a beginner should ask before getting into hefty investments is "what" and specially "Why" and not "how".
The "how" is the easy part when we know exactly why we need something and what for.
We live in the world of marketing, internet calibers and peer pressure to have the latest and the greatest but if one is going
to really enjoy shooting is going to be more because of the doing and not the having.
These days one can pickup a budget rifle that with no work or little work will produce 1MOA and better with quality factory ammo.
This is really all you need to go shooting targets and steel at long distances.
A tikka is a well made rifle and they are pretty consistent out of the box. Savage have budget rifles that are also amazing shooters
out of the box. I think the bergara is hard to beat out of the box is one likes a Remington 700 action and models around 1K dollars
that come with a tactical stock challenge blue printed actions and builds costing 3 times that much.
223 reminton or 308 winchester are very good rounds for learning and shooting long range too. Both are accurate, plentiful and
with huge number of options.
One can shoot up to 1000 yards with a 223 bolt action using 75-85gr bullets and learn more about long range and ballistics than
any other super sexy fashionable round.
I agree with guy and make a decent investment on glass. Once one graduates from one caliber the rifle might be rebarreled,
get a new one but a good glass will stay.
If one likes extreme accuracy on a low budget the 6mm BR norma twist barrel is probably the most efficient and
accurate casing ever devised an with a 22" barrel and 1:8 twist will put 105-107gr bullets supersonic at 1200-1300 yards if
one acquires the skill to hit something that far.
If I was going to "build" a rifle I would have a R700 build by a reputable rifle builder with experience that can blueprint the
action and have everything zeroed and dialed with a perfect bore and chamber. But why put all that money up front when
you have factory rifles that will do great on 1/3 of the cost.
Ask yourself, what do you really enjoy? Would you have fun stacking 223 groups at 800 yards and scoring big time with that
"little 22" or you need more and why?
Start with the bullet, hopefully a good one and the rest is just part of the delivery method.
If you reload the 6x45 can be even cheaper than the 223 and will give you 25% extra performance but also another match
winning stupid easy caliber that one can enjoy and shoot a lot more on a fraction of the budget and recoil of other calibers.
Many times, less is more in the end.
Bergara B14 with the tactical stock and Accuracy International magazine... 999 dollars.
This action gives features only available in actions 3 times that price.
http://www.basspro.com/shop/en/bergara-b-14-hmr-bolt-action-rifle
I have to agree with @GuyMontag .
The first question a beginner should ask before getting into hefty investments is "what" and specially "Why" and not "how".
The "how" is the easy part when we know exactly why we need something and what for.
We live in the world of marketing, internet calibers and peer pressure to have the latest and the greatest but if one is going
to really enjoy shooting is going to be more because of the doing and not the having.
These days one can pickup a budget rifle that with no work or little work will produce 1MOA and better with quality factory ammo.
This is really all you need to go shooting targets and steel at long distances.
A tikka is a well made rifle and they are pretty consistent out of the box. Savage have budget rifles that are also amazing shooters
out of the box. I think the bergara is hard to beat out of the box is one likes a Remington 700 action and models around 1K dollars
that come with a tactical stock challenge blue printed actions and builds costing 3 times that much.
223 reminton or 308 winchester are very good rounds for learning and shooting long range too. Both are accurate, plentiful and
with huge number of options.
One can shoot up to 1000 yards with a 223 bolt action using 75-85gr bullets and learn more about long range and ballistics than
any other super sexy fashionable round.
I agree with guy and make a decent investment on glass. Once one graduates from one caliber the rifle might be rebarreled,
get a new one but a good glass will stay.
If one likes extreme accuracy on a low budget the 6mm BR norma twist barrel is probably the most efficient and
accurate casing ever devised an with a 22" barrel and 1:8 twist will put 105-107gr bullets supersonic at 1200-1300 yards if
one acquires the skill to hit something that far.
If I was going to "build" a rifle I would have a R700 build by a reputable rifle builder with experience that can blueprint the
action and have everything zeroed and dialed with a perfect bore and chamber. But why put all that money up front when
you have factory rifles that will do great on 1/3 of the cost.
Ask yourself, what do you really enjoy? Would you have fun stacking 223 groups at 800 yards and scoring big time with that
"little 22" or you need more and why?
Start with the bullet, hopefully a good one and the rest is just part of the delivery method.
If you reload the 6x45 can be even cheaper than the 223 and will give you 25% extra performance but also another match
winning stupid easy caliber that one can enjoy and shoot a lot more on a fraction of the budget and recoil of other calibers.
Many times, less is more in the end.
Bergara B14 with the tactical stock and Accuracy International magazine... 999 dollars.
This action gives features only available in actions 3 times that price.
http://www.basspro.com/shop/en/bergara-b-14-hmr-bolt-action-rifle
My gunsmith did mine during the rebarreling for no extra charge.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The Bergara is a remington 700 action but the way it should be done from factory.
-Integrated recoil lug just like a surgeon
-Side bolt release
-Claw extractor with a 50 degree angle. Even better than badger ordenance or Sako extactor.
-All perfectly timed and blue printed from factoy
-True Match trigger. They are actually partnered with Timmey.
-Barrels are made with shilen barrel technoology. Also partners with shilen.
But look at the tikka even the savage PRS and predator(not XP version)
Why would anyone want to blueprint a rifle?
I mean if you have it already and are rebarreling anyway is one thing but otherwise will never get
the money back and features and performance of a more modern action.
-Integrated recoil lug just like a surgeon
-Side bolt release
-Claw extractor with a 50 degree angle. Even better than badger ordenance or Sako extactor.
-All perfectly timed and blue printed from factoy
-True Match trigger. They are actually partnered with Timmey.
-Barrels are made with shilen barrel technoology. Also partners with shilen.
But look at the tikka even the savage PRS and predator(not XP version)
Why would anyone want to blueprint a rifle?
I mean if you have it already and are rebarreling anyway is one thing but otherwise will never get
the money back and features and performance of a more modern action.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
That is nice. Did he also mill the bolt and change the extractor?
Not required, the original Remington extractor in the stock bolt works just fine. If I was going to change the bolt face for a different case head, I would have ordered a PT&G bolt with that feature. I see no point in changing something that isn't necessary for accuracy (or broken) if it still works as it is supposed to.
I am also not a chassis guy so the B&C stock with or without an adjustable cheek piece works for me.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
I have a bias against factory rifles like the RPR and Bergara cause as a lefty they don't make a rifle for me. Savage does, but your lack of options suffers compared to R700, though it's getting better.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
How much for a rebarrel, cut the chamber, crown, cap and thread, & bolt work?
Your $400 figure is not an honest depiction of the costs.
Add up the cost of the action, your new trigger, a barrel, gunsmith charges for doing the work.
The TRUE cost of fully upgrading a Remington is well upwards of $1500 depending on components, BEFORE you stock it.
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ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Just start with a Savage and go from there 
All kidding aside the BA stealth is pretty a decent out of the box chassis rifle for a decent price. It's not a 5k rifle but it's a good starter rifle.
All kidding aside the BA stealth is pretty a decent out of the box chassis rifle for a decent price. It's not a 5k rifle but it's a good starter rifle.
wdeister08
.40 S&W
Agreed it does start adding up, but I assume once he's serious (if he ever gets there) those costs will be acceptable to him. Also at that point - defiance, surgeon, etc become acceptable purchases anyway. There's so many choices and directions one could go. I figure outta the box works for him, obviously, but I was looking more from the prospective of purchasing something he can grow with as he becomes more into it. He also gets the benefit of having it built to him way more, than a outta the box setup can be at first.
That really depends upon who your friends are.
1500 bucks is really close to what I spent having my '06 done the way I wanted it.
Figure my rifle I bought it for 650, didn't really like the way it pounded me or the accuracy. The light weight barrel sucked for target shooting, the trigger and the SPS stock sucked as well.
My barrel from Hart was 350
Timney trigger 140
B&C stock was 279
Scope mount Rail was 65 bucks
Gunsmith work was 250 for the chambering/rebarreling/action work and bedding (it is good to have friends).
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1734 + tax all before rings ($65) and my Nikon Scope ($602)
Prudii
.357 mag
To be honest it comes down to budget and preference. You can go out and buy a rifle for less than <$1000 (before glass) that will shoot very well and will allow you to hit targets at 1000 yards.
Or you can buy parts and build your own. Your probably going to spend more money in the end and if you end up with a better rifle depends on the parts you bought and who put it together.
Or if money is truly not an issue you can call up one of a dozen or so high end custom rifle makers and tell them what you want and they will build it for you.
I like building things, ordering the parts I want, getting the exact barrel contour and trigger I want, the chassis I want. Is this cheap? Hell no, I really don't want to think about what this gun cost or what it's going to cost to finish. But in the end every part is going to be the part I wanted.
EDIT: I'm sitting here thinking about money and realized I could have finished my rifle with the money I spent on pistols since moving down here.
Or you can buy parts and build your own. Your probably going to spend more money in the end and if you end up with a better rifle depends on the parts you bought and who put it together.
Or if money is truly not an issue you can call up one of a dozen or so high end custom rifle makers and tell them what you want and they will build it for you.
I like building things, ordering the parts I want, getting the exact barrel contour and trigger I want, the chassis I want. Is this cheap? Hell no, I really don't want to think about what this gun cost or what it's going to cost to finish. But in the end every part is going to be the part I wanted.
EDIT: I'm sitting here thinking about money and realized I could have finished my rifle with the money I spent on pistols since moving down here.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Not the best stock, but for $750 it's a good starter rifle in my opinion.
Savage 10BA STEALTH 6.5mm CREEDMOOR
Savage 10BA STEALTH 6.5mm CREEDMOOR
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Maybe another link? The link above says $900+
I like my Savage Model 10 FCP-SR and Model 12LRP though, the accustock on the Model 10 sucks IMO I am going to change that to a B&C one day soon. Another thing I have to get used to is that accutrigger, I keep missing the blade and have to reset the bolt in order to shoot. Those may get swapped for Timneys one day.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The first thing a precission rifle builder replaces is the remington factory extractor. If one doens't shoot enough then the factory
extractor might work but otherwise it will fail. Perhaps not a big deal unless one is competing or facing a trophy hunt.
Apparently not every precision rifle builder does since, I didn't have mine replaced. Never had that problem, I have 1100 rounds through it and it is still working.
I was asked if I wanted it changed but I didn't feel it was necessary.
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ECU Pirates
.308 Win
They have a mail in rebate going on.