My shop in NY was broken into twice. I locked the guns up each night when I closed in large safes. Called BATF and reported breakins. all they were interested in was if any guns were taken ant there were not any stolen.. They also broke into my locked desk and took bound books and recentely completed 4473 forms. I told feds that. Shortly after that I had an audit and didn't have much paperwork left. I was told it was Federal court or volunteer to turn over my FFL. which I did. They proceded to take info and serial numbers of all the guns I had in inventory and turned them over to me and told me to do what ever I wanted to do with them. They also told me to ship all the completed 4473's from previous yearsI had locked in a safe to the BAFT in Va. I told them to take them I was not shipping them. Never heard another thing from them and sold all the guns without a 4473.
Burglary at Tim's Guns / Elbridge
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Jsmegs77
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Alphabet agency break in? Criminals couldn’t care less about the bound book…
Unless they want names and address of gun purchasers !!
CaliberPlus
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Lots of thoughts here. First, this state allows a dealer to be sued. With the new "laws" we will be front and center to the database, aka registry for the state. The camera regulations are so wrong, allow an outside agency to monitor and to keep records for TWO YEARS. Throw in the fact that people are not purchasing ammo in the state and it becomes less and less worthwhile. I love most of my customers and dh enjoys working on the wide range of guns that come in. At what point do you say you cannot do it anymore? Not sure I have that answer. How much do I personally contribute to something I feel is reprehensible?
My understanding is that Tim's was broken into twice. It was how two of the five guys were caught. I believe that Mancave got hit once. Now, no names or addresses of the guys have been published that I have found. I can guess that they aren't young white guys...the one news article stated they are suspects in car dealer and smoke shop thefts. There is a "profile" that fits this description.
I also wonder how secure the shops were. Bars on windows can be a deterrent. Lots of locks, dog(s)?? The timing is off too, great time to use these break ins as justification for the new requirements for shops. Maybe the thieves had some "encouragement"? Lots of people want to see every gun store closed.
AND the 4473's often contain social Security Numbers as well as Drivers License numbers, all Personally Identifying Information.... shit, it's worth more than the Guns are.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
I see your point but Joe Random Criminal, JR. doesn’t get his guns or ammo from a shop. How does he know of the existence of a bound book or 4473 and where to likely find them?