Buying gun from law enforcement friend
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Cattafly
.40 S&W
Maybe I am making it complicated but by your screen name and the blue stripe under it I assume you are military vet and in law enforcement and can only see this from your perspective. Ordinary honest law abiding people just want to be able to look at a law and be able to understand it. I've been looking around all day for state and federal laws that spell out just what a straw purchase is. It seems nowhere to be found. The only thing I can find refers to doing a check for someone who can't pass one. I haven't had the chance to really look at the 4473 instruction part of the form but I will look to see how that particular question is instructing the filer to answer.
Just so you know I am a firm believer in Blue Lives Matter as well as supporting our great military and I respect your service.
We’re not talking about perspectives here though. I’m telling you what the law is (as are others). It’s not an interpretation matter. Straw purchases are clearly defined. The referenced scotus case was specific to the op’s question, but the simple breakdown I gave earlier applied before that.
Anyway, there’s nothing else to say that’s not been said already. I’m out.
Anyway, there’s nothing else to say that’s not been said already. I’m out.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
And all this horse pockey is precisely why I only buy guns. Don't sell them, can't be misinterpreted or falsely accused if I decide to divest myself of them at some point in the future. The whole concept of a straw buyer is -intended- to ward off purchasing for prohibited persons anyway. That it is applied to people who are not in any way prohibited is an absolute crock. Why should I be barred from purchasing a gun for my LEO brother in law, if I'm somewhere and happen to catch a sale on something he wants, or vice versa?
Yes, I know what the law is. I disagree with it on its face, due to its application to people who can legally acquire and possess the article in question.
Yes, I know what the law is. I disagree with it on its face, due to its application to people who can legally acquire and possess the article in question.
Cattafly
.40 S&W
Ok,I'll let it go but it is perspective. All I ask is you give me a link to the ATF or any place else that has a clear definition of what constitutes a straw purchase and not a Court ruling, that no one knows about, that the common man can find and understand easily. Emphasis on the word easily.
Court ruling is all that matters.
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Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
It's not the mags that are difficult to find, its the gun shipped WITH the 10 round magazines. Guns with the 15 rounders can be found all day as can the separate 10 round magazines. Thanks for looking though.
Talked to the ffl today, he said just order the 15 round version and he'll give it to me without them. He said he'll thank Andy for the magazines when he sees him. Fucker, lol
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
send it with no mags , let your friend them sell them and make some $$ .. then just buy the 10rnd'ers your self
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
I would but many places, Buds included won't do that. Buds actually had the thing in stock for a few months but i sat on it cuz i didn't get the proceeds yet from the new PPQ M2 that i "sold" in a previous thread, but they've since sold out of it and haven't gotten it back in stock.send it with no mags , let your friend them sell them and make some $$ .. then just buy the 10rnd'ers your self
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A quick Google search provided the result to the ATF rules. I don't know why it was so difficult for you to find it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjARegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3ikVSPtQjarAL88eS7NGqe
And as far as court rulings go, court rulings are indeed binding. I don't know why you would want to ignore that. It doesn't matter what the source is where you get the court ruling. They all say the same thing and the facts of this case are the exact things the OP wants or wanted to do. Why argue it? Why do the exact same thing that someone else was convincted on? It makes no sense for anyone to want to argue and continue going the same route that got someone else convicted.
Wraith
.45 acp
You can purchase the gun from any retail minus the 15rd magazines and just purchase the 10rd magazines yourself.
Just did this with a P320C. Came without magazines so I just bought the magazines myself.
Just did this with a P320C. Came without magazines so I just bought the magazines myself.
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
I've done this. It pisses me off every time i have to do it though. I just keep thinking about how i essentially pay $80 more for less gun because of that cock sucker Cuomo.
Wraith
.45 acp
I know, but it is what it is. FUAC.