Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
from byrna website California is the only state they list with issue ..
Byrna HD Personal Security Device ... CS ball co2 pistol .. legal in NY ???
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Didn't watch but inclined to believe if CO2 should be good to go. Starting to be inclined to believe it's all GTG actually. Rule of law don't matter during elections it sure as Fuck doesn't matter to me.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
from the video .. it seams to pack a big ass punch .. for a non lethal SD item .. unless the criminal has asthma lol
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I would definitely say it’s good to go in NYS the only thing that might not be good to go is the pepper balls. Nys restricts the level of pepper in the pepper spray and as far as I know it’s like half what the police use. These are pepper balls though so not sure if they even regulate pepper balls maybe just the sprays.
On a side not I’m normally not a fan of less lethal options. I feel they hinder you. Say if you go less lethal and they pull a gun after just threatening you. Then you have to drop this and draw your gun. Also many reports of pepper spray and tasers being ineffective against people under the influence. With that being said I like this one as a less lethal option. Will I get it no because I wouldn’t carry it. It’s would be like carrying two guns. Kimber used to make a small pepper blaster I’d consider getting.
They make one gun shaped too. Same thing though I’d check the % of pepper to be sure it’s legal.
On a side not I’m normally not a fan of less lethal options. I feel they hinder you. Say if you go less lethal and they pull a gun after just threatening you. Then you have to drop this and draw your gun. Also many reports of pepper spray and tasers being ineffective against people under the influence. With that being said I like this one as a less lethal option. Will I get it no because I wouldn’t carry it. It’s would be like carrying two guns. Kimber used to make a small pepper blaster I’d consider getting.
They make one gun shaped too. Same thing though I’d check the % of pepper to be sure it’s legal.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Looks like they won’t ship to nyc for whatever that is worth.
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Byrna .68 Cal Pepper Projectiles
Byrna Pepper Projectiles contain a blend of Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) + PAVA making it one of the most powerful pepper projectiles on the market. * Not compatible with the Byrna CL Physical effects: Burning in throat Wheezing Gasping Dry cough Shortness of breath Gagging Inability to breathe...
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Should be issues shipping to NYS. This is considered under NYS Penal law 265 as a self defense spay device ("any like device containing tear gas, pepper or similar disabling agent") and must be sold by either a licensed ffl or pharmacist.Looks like they won’t ship to nyc for whatever that is worth.
Byrna .68 Cal Pepper Projectiles
Byrna Pepper Projectiles contain a blend of Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) + PAVA making it one of the most powerful pepper projectiles on the market. * Not compatible with the Byrna CL Physical effects: Burning in throat Wheezing Gasping Dry cough Shortness of breath Gagging Inability to breathe...
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 265.20 | FindLaw
New York Penal Law PEN NY PENAL Section 265.20. Read the code on FindLaw
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
From the manufacturer
"At this time, we do not ship any Byrna HD Max product to New York, Wisconsin, Michigan or California."
"At this time, we do not ship any Byrna HD Pepper product to California or New York."
Also, the judge who said this would have to be sold through an ffl or pharmacy never mentioned anything about concentration or if it was considered pocket sized, my guess he figured the pharmacist or ffl would figure that out.
"At this time, we do not ship any Byrna HD Max product to New York, Wisconsin, Michigan or California."
"At this time, we do not ship any Byrna HD Pepper product to California or New York."
Also, the judge who said this would have to be sold through an ffl or pharmacy never mentioned anything about concentration or if it was considered pocket sized, my guess he figured the pharmacist or ffl would figure that out.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Nope specifically made for self defense you can't have it. Get a fixed blade knife or a hammer.
Shovel works great too!
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That’s correct. I forgot about that. So complicated.Should be issues shipping to NYS. This is considered under NYS Penal law 265 as a self defense spay device ("any like device containing tear gas, pepper or similar disabling agent") and must be sold by either a licensed ffl or pharmacist.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 265.20 | FindLaw
New York Penal Law PEN NY PENAL Section 265.20. Read the code on FindLaw
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Funny I looked and it doesn’t say that. Just says nyc area. Same with the FAQ’s. Here’s the link. Odd for sure.
Frequently Asked Questions
From regulations, to different ammo options, to Byrna product specifications and how it works, you will find answeres here.
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
This site link certainly has the restrictions listedFunny I looked and it doesn’t say that. Just says nyc area. Same with the FAQ’s. Here’s the link. Odd for sure.
Frequently Asked Questions
From regulations, to different ammo options, to Byrna product specifications and how it works, you will find answeres here.
Byrna Shipping Restrictions
Before placing your order, click here to learn more about our shipping restrictions. We do not ship all product to all locations at this time. In the US there are restrictions that vary by state and municipality on where the Byrna HD, Byrna HD Max projectiles, and Byrna HD Pepper projectiles can...
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Out of state family members who carry, have these for visiting company. They were told they can not bring them to NYS and have to use an ffl to purchase in NYS but vendor will ship to NYS ffl.
A county judge suggested an ffl that carried kimber blasters and that the girls just get their carry permits.
A county judge suggested an ffl that carried kimber blasters and that the girls just get their carry permits.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I saw this a while ago and thought it was interesting. But before you get your panties in a bunch about not being able to get one. Check out the prices for ammo. Almost makes 9mm look reasonable.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yep $3.00/round. Astonishing
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I see now. They will ship the solid balls and the inert powdered balls to all of NYS except NYC area but nothing pepper related to all of NYS. Likely the pepper concentration is too high plus the stupid laws.This site link certainly has the restrictions listed
Byrna Shipping Restrictions
Before placing your order, click here to learn more about our shipping restrictions. We do not ship all product to all locations at this time. In the US there are restrictions that vary by state and municipality on where the Byrna HD, Byrna HD Max projectiles, and Byrna HD Pepper projectiles can...
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i just seen this the other day and was thinking if allowed in NY .. would be a way to have something when going into a "gun free zone" ..
it kinda is a gun but not .. just a custom case for my pepper spray LOL.
but them solid balls do leave a nice mark .. take one in the fore head or groin .. and not the thigh
LOL ..
it kinda is a gun but not .. just a custom case for my pepper spray LOL.
but them solid balls do leave a nice mark .. take one in the fore head or groin .. and not the thigh
LOL ..
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
True, but my wife doesn't want to be a firearms owner herself, although is fine with people having the right to do so. So something like this would be better than nothing for her, I guess.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
ok so why not ship to FFL in NY ?
Can my NY FFL order it to resell ?
can I go and buy 20 puny cans of spray at the FFL or Pharm ? or only one till i use it and have to return the empty ??
FUAC
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
You would have to ask the manufacturer why they don't deal with NY and CA. It could be they don't meet existing requirements / limitations (e.g. concentration, size, etc), it could be their legal advisor / insurance advisor, it could be they were already threatened by litigation by NY. Your guess would be as good as mine. Let us know if the manufacturer tells you but they would not give a specific reason to those I know who already asked the manufacturer.
Don't believe that is correct pepper spray for self-defense (against humans) is specifically allowed under NY law it has to be purchased through FFL or pharmacist. There is limitation on canister size but not concentration as far as I know. Bear spray etc can be mailed direct. Have no idea why this manufacturer won't ship to NY FFL maybe they just don't want to bother with politics.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Oh, wait a minute Mr. Badguy!!! I need get my non lethal device.
Robin
Robin
Not going to lie this seems like nonsense to me.
Why would you want something that size with limited effectiveness when you can get a can of Saber or POM OC spray.
Why would you want something that size with limited effectiveness when you can get a can of Saber or POM OC spray.
There are plenty of instances when a less than lethal option is the correct option.
That being said carrying something the size and well shape of a gun that you have to then use like a gun and hope you 1st hit them with the pepperball then hope the pepper ball breaks (anyone that has played paintball knows its not 100% going to break on impact) then going to even work.
OR
You can deploy OC spray (not bear spray or a fogger or gel, but an actual quality OC spray such as Saber or POM) which is smaller and easier to use/deploy with better more instant results