Carrying In a Post Office Legal?
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meketrefe
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The secret service training includes the use of a car as both a defensive and offensive weapon.
So, forget about guns. according to a federal agency anyone using a car is using a potentialy dangerous weapon and if you park in the post office parking you are now in violation.
Maybe other federal agencies and offices have other objects that they classify as weapons like bringing a walking cane to a court room.
If I am a plumber a steel pipe is a weapon or an object associated with my profession?
So, forget about guns. according to a federal agency anyone using a car is using a potentialy dangerous weapon and if you park in the post office parking you are now in violation.
Maybe other federal agencies and offices have other objects that they classify as weapons like bringing a walking cane to a court room.
If I am a plumber a steel pipe is a weapon or an object associated with my profession?
livingston
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I get on the back dock at some post offices and almost every one says only a LEO or postal inspector is allowed to carry on premise
This one is a little different.
This one is a little different.
livingston
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Federal appeals court to mull guns in post offices
The U.S. Postal Service and a Colorado man in court over where guns can be carried
www.detroitnews.com
U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch ruled last year that the Postal Service’s ban on firearms in its parking lots violated the Second Amendment. But he also said the agency could keep people such as Bonidy from carrying a gun in a post office lobbyFederal appeals court to mull guns in post offices
The U.S. Postal Service and a Colorado man in court over where guns can be carriedwww.detroitnews.com
What did the 10th circuit court rule?
I believe, I could be wrong, that the tenth circuit said parking lots are no go as well.
You are correct
Again... Much worry ado bout nuttin!
My rolled up newspaper is a weapon, my umbrella, my pen!... And yes, even my hands if you want to go to those extremes because no typical weapon is utilized otherwise. Shall we leave our hands at home? How ridiculous do we want to get?
Speculation, hypothetical, fictional and delusional fear of event or events that have not come to pass, or might ever pass... Is somewhere the mind doesn't need to be!
Release the weight, shed the burden, drop the chains! Live FREELY and stop worrying at every turn whether or not you have the proper permission to do what you're doing. It's ridiculous IMO.
Of course I'm talking about general population normal... Lmao! The type of person who is never going to experience a negative encounter in this respect. Just be smart! Live life and stop worrying about bullshit that takes away from enjoying it.
Regards!
My rolled up newspaper is a weapon, my umbrella, my pen!... And yes, even my hands if you want to go to those extremes because no typical weapon is utilized otherwise. Shall we leave our hands at home? How ridiculous do we want to get?
Speculation, hypothetical, fictional and delusional fear of event or events that have not come to pass, or might ever pass... Is somewhere the mind doesn't need to be!
Release the weight, shed the burden, drop the chains! Live FREELY and stop worrying at every turn whether or not you have the proper permission to do what you're doing. It's ridiculous IMO.
Of course I'm talking about general population normal... Lmao! The type of person who is never going to experience a negative encounter in this respect. Just be smart! Live life and stop worrying about bullshit that takes away from enjoying it.
Regards!
You are showing a slight lack of understanding. Anytime you prevent someone from their free movement you have legally arrested them. If I stop someone and question them and they ask if they can go and I say no I have made a legal arrest at that moment. If someone tries to get to their can and I block their way I have legally made an arrest. I do it all the time. Depending on circumstances and cooperation I will either cut them loose or cuff them and call for 5.0 to transport and do the paperwork. There is no such thing as detaining. You’re either arrested or you’re not.
Read further. There is only an exemption if the administrator (super) gives written authorization. This did not exist. The law 400 does not include permit holders as an exemption for schools. In fact the DA stated directly in his press conference that the man is indeed guilty of a felony but he was not going to charge him. Google the case. Buffalo school man with gun. DA Flynn. You’ll see all.
dangerous when you think you know but really don’t. Careful.
Cheers.
Whose a mall cop? Haven’t been in one in years.
I can only relate these sad posts and attempted attacks to kids on a playground jealous and upset. Maybe confused. Why can he do what I cannot? *temper tantrum* When black and white letter law is cited it is ignored because a few don’t want it to be true. Akin to I want the earth to be flat so I won’t look at the pictures from space. If I don’t look maybe it’ll go away. It’s truly disturbing in most cases. Then it morphs into “well that’s the law BUT you need to take video and upload it to prove it! There might be precedent somewhere! lol it’s all laughable.It’s also sad and embarrassing. Just stop. Save what’s left of your pride. We operate daily around all matters of LEO. They usually come strike up conversation and have a few good laughs. Never thought I’d see the day an exact law would be cited word for word then the desperate’s would start up with the “but.. but... but..”
move on with your life. I hope you can find what it is you’re looking for. God bless.
That sign sure is nice. Unfortunately when you pull the law text it states that it cannot fly in conflict of US law and said law lists clear exemptions for lawful carried firearms by lawful persons on federal properties.. Damn! What a waste of a sign!
Judges don’t make law. It’s written in 18 USC exactly. Now if said person doesn’t meet the exemptions then yes they are in violation. Maybe the Gus didn’t have a proper carry permit or was restricted.
spat
.950 JDJ
And that has what to do with the fact that you don't have to be *charged* with a crime to be arrested ?
spat
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Says the guy who has apparently never heard the phrase "case law".
If things worked the way you think they do we could dismiss all this with the simple "Says right here 'shall not be infringed' "
But in reality, judges tend to make more law than legislatures. It's not right, and it's not how it's *supposed* to work, but it is the reality of the world we live in.
Acer-m14
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if only the courts would have held up Marbury v. Madison 1804 
drowhawk
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Detention and arrest are absolutely two different things. I'm not a LEO or a lawyer and I know that. Detention is temporary custody while investigation of a crime is being carried out. Arrest is custody with the intention of charging and booking that individual into jail while an arraignment date is set.
No, actually if you participate in the initial inquiry and get to a point where there is no additional information that can be offered, willingly or not, or you just get to a point where you do not wish to participate in the investigation, ie, it's not lawfully required just because... And you express your desire to disengage and leave...
At that time the officer involved needs to make a decision! Because you have made clear your desire to not participate and want to go about your business... The decision to "hold" you against your will must be made. You make it sound pretty benign, when it's not. If they hold you they must have a "reason" to do so... And not just because... And yes, in some jurisdictions if they hold you it has been considered an "arrest" or removal of your freedom of movement. And depending entirely upon the circumstances, it can have Subsequent Consequences for both or either the officer and or detainee depending upon their actions thereafter! It gets real complicated!
Simple thing is simple does...
Officer I've answered all your questions to the best of my ability, at this point I'm going to leave unless you're going to arrest me. You have my information and if you need further follow up please feel free to contact me or I'll refer you to my attorney. Thank you very much and have a nice day (as you begin to walk away) ... If at this point you are physically restrained and prevented physically from leaving, you are under arrest, regardless if cuffs are used, or informed of such.
Of course the above example plays on cooperation by both parties in a fairly normal encounter...
You don't have to cooperate, and neither does the officer. ie, why am I being held? No answer... And what's your name, where you from, what is your purpose here... No answer!
Now... In some states like NY, you actually have to be informed as to why you're being arrested, that's not true everywhere. AND... In order to be arrested "anywhere" in these United States, the arresting officer MUST be able to establish PROBABLE CAUSE. That's it... End of story! Probable cause is a world away from suspicion, not to confuse the two.
Ok I'm rambling now... Lmao
Again 99.999% of the population just isn't going to incur and encounter this type of situation having negative results. I'm not sure why it's so permeated into the subconsciousness of so many. Is it the "forum" type communication medium that brings it out? A lasting an continual play on what if's? Hypothetical situations that just don't happen?
Post some case law of arrest/convictions for violating these P.O. restrictions. Please... Because that will clear up all the speculation!
At that time the officer involved needs to make a decision! Because you have made clear your desire to not participate and want to go about your business... The decision to "hold" you against your will must be made. You make it sound pretty benign, when it's not. If they hold you they must have a "reason" to do so... And not just because... And yes, in some jurisdictions if they hold you it has been considered an "arrest" or removal of your freedom of movement. And depending entirely upon the circumstances, it can have Subsequent Consequences for both or either the officer and or detainee depending upon their actions thereafter! It gets real complicated!
Simple thing is simple does...
Officer I've answered all your questions to the best of my ability, at this point I'm going to leave unless you're going to arrest me. You have my information and if you need further follow up please feel free to contact me or I'll refer you to my attorney. Thank you very much and have a nice day (as you begin to walk away) ... If at this point you are physically restrained and prevented physically from leaving, you are under arrest, regardless if cuffs are used, or informed of such.
Of course the above example plays on cooperation by both parties in a fairly normal encounter...
You don't have to cooperate, and neither does the officer. ie, why am I being held? No answer... And what's your name, where you from, what is your purpose here... No answer!
Now... In some states like NY, you actually have to be informed as to why you're being arrested, that's not true everywhere. AND... In order to be arrested "anywhere" in these United States, the arresting officer MUST be able to establish PROBABLE CAUSE. That's it... End of story! Probable cause is a world away from suspicion, not to confuse the two.
Ok I'm rambling now... Lmao
Again 99.999% of the population just isn't going to incur and encounter this type of situation having negative results. I'm not sure why it's so permeated into the subconsciousness of so many. Is it the "forum" type communication medium that brings it out? A lasting an continual play on what if's? Hypothetical situations that just don't happen?
Post some case law of arrest/convictions for violating these P.O. restrictions. Please... Because that will clear up all the speculation!
drowhawk
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You can be legally detained for up to 48hrs under reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime.No, actually if you participate in the initial inquiry and get to a point where there is no additional information that can be offered, willingly or not, or you just get to a point where you do not wish to participate in the investigation, ie, it's not lawfully required just because... And you express your desire to disengage and leave...
At that time the officer involved needs to make a decision! Because you have made clear your desire to not participate and want to go about your business... The decision to "hold" you against your will must be made. You make it sound pretty benign, when it's not. If they hold you they must have a "reason" to do so... And not just because... And yes, in some jurisdictions if they hold you it has been considered an "arrest" or removal of your freedom of movement. And depending entirely upon the circumstances, it can have Subsequent Consequences for both or either the officer and or detainee depending upon their actions thereafter! It gets real complicated!
Simple thing is simple does...
Officer I've answered all your questions to the best of my ability, at this point I'm going to leave unless you're going to arrest me. You have my information and if you need further follow up please feel free to contact me or I'll refer you to my attorney. Thank you very much and have a nice day (as you begin to walk away) ... If at this point you are physically restrained and prevented physically from leaving, you are under arrest, regardless if cuffs are used, or informed of such.
Of course the above example plays on cooperation by both parties in a fairly normal encounter...
You don't have to cooperate, and neither does the officer. ie, why am I being held? No answer... And what's your name, where you from, what is your purpose here... No answer!
Now... In some states like NY, you actually have to be informed as to why you're being arrested, that's not true everywhere. AND... In order to be arrested "anywhere" in these United States, the arresting officer MUST be able to establish PROBABLE CAUSE. That's it... End of story! Probable cause is a world away from suspicion, not to confuse the two.
Ok I'm rambling now... Lmao
Again 99.999% of the population just isn't going to incur and encounter this type of situation having negative results. I'm not sure why it's so permeated into the subconsciousness of so many. Is it the "forum" type communication medium that brings it out? A lasting an continual play on what if's? Hypothetical situations that just don't happen?
Post some case law of arrest/convictions for violating these P.O. restrictions. Please... Because that will clear up all the speculation!
This is 100%, completely false. Wow, you are more dangerous than I originally thought.
It is as if you have no concept whatsoever of the laws, rules and regulations of NY.
Where do you get your information from? Wow....
Robin
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Okay Chevusa, be the 00.001, show em what you got!
Robin
Robin
This topic has gone on long enough. The question has been asked and answered. Both in video briefs by lawyers and cited case law. No one here will stop anyone from being stupid in public, that is their birthright as an American citizen. If you choose to carry on Postal property you do so at your own risk.
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