CITIES are the DOWNFALL of every CIVILIZATION

[CaseHardened]

I am dead serious.

Any archaeologist can tell you, that just prior to utter collapse, every failed civilization experienced its greatest growth of concentrated power in overpopulated cities.

Cambodia, Mayan, Rome, and so many more, fail due to densely populated areas.

CITIES ARE SICK.

People lose all independent thought. Become divorced from nature. Are totally dependent on centralized Government.

I am, at heart, a Libertarian. Things occur for a reason.

Sadly, Libertarian Philosophy also allows people to FAIL. As they have, so often, and will.

I would make a simple, or not so simple, requirement that no area be allowed to house no more than xx number of people per square mile.

Before you condemn me, understand that every Totalitarian Government seeks to CONCENTRATE their population.

Concentrated Populations are simple to control. And, even better, they are easy prey to GROUP-THINK.

They prefer being mindless slaves !

So how would I control Population Density ? I don't know.

I might not like the answer.

But to keep people free, it MUST be done.

 

[GOPerfect]

I agree. BTW, well said!

All one needs to do is look at middle America. Go outside the cities and you find better people.

You find hard working men and women. You find people that Actually love America, it's way of life.

You find more honest, good natured people. You find more people that do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

Crime is much less outside of the Bigger urban areas. People are more prepared for everyday life.

 

[Darth]

Wow.

No.

If you honestly think that cities lead to the downfall of a civilization...just, no.

I prefer country living, but let's not delude ourselves.

 

[CaseHardened]

I agree. BTW, well said!

All one needs to do is look at middle America. Go outside the cities and you find better people.

You find hard working men and women. You find people that Actually love America, it's way of life.

You find more honest, good natured people. You find more people that do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

Crime is much less outside of the Bigger urban areas. People are more prepared for everyday life.

The easy answer is MAKE THE WORLD BIGGER.

Every time humanity did: America, Australia - things improved for a while.

But we have run out of room.

MY ANSWER NOW - A horrible and impossible one - would be to END to all Human Procreation for a generation or two.

No murders - simply no births. Until we reach a realistic achievable level.

Clearly a Fantasy.

 

[CaseHardened]

Wow.

No.

If you honestly think that cities lead to the downfall of a civilization...just, no.

I prefer country living, but let's not delude ourselves.

Darth, I do respect you - and I respect your thoughts.

Everyone has value.

But let me lead you to a study that was done with Inner City Children.

They were asked WHERE DOES MILK COME FROM.

Most answered "A carton in the refrigerator"

Significantly less answered "From the supermarket"

From that point on the correct answers plummeted to truly disturbing levels.

CITY DWELLERS ARE IGNORANT IDIOTS.

Few could survive for any length of time without the infrastructure we are blessed with.

Does that make them "Less Human" ? Of course not.

But it DOES bring into question the validity of their opinions, and of their VOTES.

 

[Darth]

Darth, I do respect you - and I respect your thoughts.

Everyone has value.

But let me lead you to a study that was done with Inner City Children.

They were asked WHERE DOES MILK COME FROM.

Most answered "A carton in the refrigerator"

Significantly less answered "From the supermarket"

From that point on the correct answers plummeted to truly disturbing levels.

CITY DWELLERS ARE IGNORANT IDIOTS.

Few could survive for any length of time without the infrastructure we are blessed with.

Does that make them "Less Human" ? Of course not.

But it DOES bring into question the validity of their opinions, and of their VOTES.

You know who else makes stupid responses to "man on the street" interviews?

Everyone. You think they might do that for a reason?

Because our inner city children are dumb as a bag of fingernail clippers doesn't mean that cities are the downfall of civilizations. Far from it.

And cities don't just "pop up" from thing air. They form in that location for a reason.

 

[Saltwater60]

The easy answer is MAKE THE WORLD BIGGER.

Every time humanity did: America, Australia - things improved for a while.

But we have run out of room.

MY ANSWER NOW - A horrible and impossible one - would be to END to all Human Procreation for a generation or two.

No murders - simply no births. Until we reach a realistic achievable level.

Clearly a Fantasy.

Don’t take offense, but the self proclaimed libertarian just said we should stop all procreation for 10 or 20 years. What if people get pregnant a force abortion? That’s not very libertarian like.

I do agree with the cities are a downfall or humanity. It allows people to become more comfortable, have more time, and a larger concentration of people. I think their competitiveness comes out and they lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead. Some even murder. I also think your exposed to less moral people that brings down the morals of those around them furthering the decline of a city society. Add to that the people crammed in their and spread disease(of course a larger problem a long time ago). Look at the biggest cities around here and how immoral they are. Look at San Fran and nyc.

 

[Saltwater60]

Darth, I do respect you - and I respect your thoughts.

Everyone has value.

But let me lead you to a study that was done with Inner City Children.

They were asked WHERE DOES MILK COME FROM.

Most answered "A carton in the refrigerator"

Significantly less answered "From the supermarket"

From that point on the correct answers plummeted to truly disturbing levels.

CITY DWELLERS ARE IGNORANT IDIOTS.

Few could survive for any length of time without the infrastructure we are blessed with.

Does that make them "Less Human" ? Of course not.

But it DOES bring into question the validity of their opinions, and of their VOTES.

That’s my end of the world plan actually. Most around me will be dead in weeks and I will be fine because I have prepared. I have more preparing to do of course. Then I will scavenge their stuff.

 

[Robin]

Wow.

No.

If you honestly think that cities lead to the downfall of a civilization...just, no.

I prefer country living, but let's not delude ourselves.

I plan to dilute myself later today. Hic
Robin

 

[SomeSoldier]

If we agree that too much of anything is bad, maybe max pop cities are not as good for us? But where is that line? Also how can you control this without turning into what we despise the most?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Cities aren't the problem. Welfare is the problem. If people had to work and pay for what they need, cities may even be red.

 

[Catskillkid]

Mixed feelings on this one. Yes, modern day cities and their populations are the cause of most of our woes. But is it city living itself that does it or something else (maybe a combo of the two)? Rome became mighty because of their urbanization (albeit ancient Rome was far smaller than even most modest modern cities today) and the level of specialization that it allowed individuals to do which in turn created better technological advances as well as art and culture that would not be seen on that scale again for a 1,000 years. Cities allow for civilizations to advance and for technological progression and advancement to occur. Cities do lend themselves, over time, to becoming decadent. The populations become hedonistic and worse come up with crazy ideas on how to manage other populations, partly because they THINK they are doing the right thing and partly because they are comfortable and have free time (don't have a farm to tend to) to think up cockamamie schemes. People need to fill the void in their time/existence somehow and you can only drink, do drugs, have sex so much. The last thing is to develop delusions of grandeur and belief that you have the answers to fix all the world's problems. We see this perdominantly on the Left in modern times but the Right as well.

Personally, I believe history repeats itself. All great civilizations rise and fall, and most democracies (and I'll include the Roman Republic in this one as well as our own republic) only last about 200 years or so. Our bicentennial was in 1976 and even prior to that we started seeing cracks in its armor. Now the armor is all but rotted away. Our civilization will pass to just like Egypt, Athens, Rome and all the rest before us. What will rise in our place who can tell.

 

[ProgSpear]

Politicians love cities, particularly in a “democracy”, as it concentrates their power. Real governance is difficult, however, as you might make a decision that pisses off a constituency somewhere and jeopardizes your cushy position, so the default position will always become “bread and circuses”.

As an example of a pissed off constituency, look at how the blue state urban rich are reacting to Trump’s tax cut. All that “compassion for the downtrodden and oppressed” went right out the window when they discovered the rest of the country was sick of paying into their bread and circuses schemes, and they would have to pay more.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Personally, I believe history repeats itself. All great civilizations rise and fall, and most democracies (and I'll include the Roman Republic in this one as well as our own republic) only last about 200 years or so. Our bicentennial was in 1976 and even prior to that we started seeing cracks in its armor. Now the armor is all but rotted away. Our civilization will pass to just like Egypt, Athens, Rome and all the rest before us. What will rise in our place who can tell.

Very interesting thread so far and ideas.


I absolutely agree with the above . I love learning about history and have learned that all great empires rise and fall. Its all but inevitable. The cause might vary but the end result is the same. Empires and countries falling could be caused by war, resource over extension, famine, disease, loss of universally accepted and binding culture, foreign invasion, internal turmoil, political conflict etc...


I think we run a serious risk of fracturing the way the Balkans did. There are so many Americans now who can't even agree on common things or culture, and we can't even have discussions or sharing of ideas without going to extremes like calling someone a racist because they disagree. It doesn't bode well for our future.




I also don't think that UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030 are not coincidental. I think the globalist want to accelerate our downfall and make us as urban and dependent as possible.

 

[Calculon]

Cities evolve as centers of commerce. It makes sense to bring buyers and sellers together for efficient trade and the development of the support infrastructure for commerce including labor and its housing. Overdeveloped cities are a result of social and fiscal policy designed to consolidate and further develop political power. Preventing a lifetime political class through term limits is the biggest oversight the Founding Fathers made.

 

[tony]

SOYLENT GREEN is PEOPLE...

I will not blame anything other than public assistance otherwise known as Welfare.
We are part of a " feel good society " that has encouraged these recipients not to work, has taken away their sense of worth, accomplishment and pride.
The working class is DOOMED...

 

[DoD1776]

Then when these city scum dems split from the city they’ll get the democrats elected in every county. And they’ll destroy this country. No offense; they can stay in their cities.

 

[Robin]

Too late Dayton, they have been fleeing the cities for decades because of the very conditions they created. When they come out here to the country, without even realizing it, they try to recreate what they left, on a smaller scale.
Be ever vigilant, all politics is local!
Robin

 

[Criticalt]

Then when these city scum dems split from the city they’ll get the democrats elected in every county. And they’ll destroy this country. No offense; they can stay in their cities.

This has and is already happening.
States like Utah, Texas, Montana, Wyoming, Alaska.....are all seeing more and more liberals moving to them, away from the cities.
They are bringing their liberal values and money with them.
They are buying land and running for office in small towns and cities.
Is this going to turn Red states Blue? Not at the rate they are going but more liberals move to Red states every day, so, who knows.

 

[Jmac00]

You know who else makes stupid responses to "man on the street" interviews?

Everyone. You think they might do that for a reason?

Because our inner city children are dumb as a bag of fingernail clippers doesn't mean that cities are the downfall of civilizations. Far from it.

And cities don't just "pop up" from thing air. They form in that location for a reason.

I would point out, San Francisco and L.A. have the highest homeless populations in the country and are very quickly becoming true shitholes. It's so bad there is a phone app to tell you where the worst areas are for human waste and urine are. Chicago and Baltimore are basically a shooting range. Large concentrations of people are a problem. Or more correctly, overpopulation is the problem.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I would point out, San Francisco and L.A. have the highest homeless populations in the country and are very quickly becoming true shitholes. It's so bad there is a phone app to tell you where the worst areas are for human waste and urine are. Chicago and Baltimore are basically a shooting range. Large concentrations of people are a problem. Or more correctly, overpopulation is the problem.

Portland OR rivals then on a smaller scale

 

[Defilade]

I have to much road rage while in a city, when it takes me 15-20 mins to travel 1/8 mile I shall consider it a "SHITHOLE"!

 

[holdover]

There is no Utopia, never was, never will be. Men are not perfect. Were ever you find men, you will find their problems there also. So We can change the set From Julius Cesar , to Hamlet. The song remains the same. People are flawed, and people are different. People will have different interests. Change the backgrounds all you want We will always end up in some type of conflict with each other .

 

[DoD1776]

There is no Utopia, never was, never will be. Men are not perfect. Were ever you find men, you will find their problems there also. So We can change the set From Julius Cesar , to Hamlet. The song remains the same. People are flawed, and people are different. People will have different interests. Change the backgrounds all you want We will always end up in some type of conflict with each other .

Utopias are always run by dirty governments too. Who would probably kill anything that isn’t like one another.

 

[Robin]

Any government that can give you everything you want will eventually take everything you have, including your life.
Robin

 

[CaseHardened]

You know who else makes stupid responses to "man on the street" interviews?

Everyone. You think they might do that for a reason?

Because our inner city children are dumb as a bag of fingernail clippers doesn't mean that cities are the downfall of civilizations. Far from it.

And cities don't just "pop up" from thing air. They form in that location for a reason.

Aye.

WELFARE.

BREAD & CIRCUSES

And who can blame them ?

But it never lasts.

If we agree that too much of anything is bad, maybe max pop cities are not as good for us? But where is that line? Also how can you control this without turning into what we despise the most?

Very interesting thread so far and ideas.


I absolutely agree with the above . I love learning about history and have learned that all great empires rise and fall. Its all but inevitable. The cause might vary but the end result is the same. Empires and countries falling could be caused by war, resource over extension, famine, disease, loss of universally accepted and binding culture, foreign invasion, internal turmoil, political conflict etc...


I think we run a serious risk of fracturing the way the Balkans did. There are so many Americans now who can't even agree on common things or culture, and we can't even have discussions or sharing of ideas without going to extremes like calling someone a racist because they disagree. It doesn't bode well for our future.




I also don't think that UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030 are not coincidental. I think the globalist want to accelerate our downfall and make us as urban and dependent as possible.

Here's a couple of things to consider:

1: The MEDIA is constantly reporting on the "Tragedy" of DECLINING BIRTH RATES in the Civilized World. That sounds to me like educated people realize a large family is difficult to support, and is actually unfair to any children you do bear. This is happening naturally.

Of course, to the MEDIA, this is terrible. And can only be solved by opening the FloodGates to the THIRD WORLD.

NATURE AND CULTURE IS PROVIDING A SOLUTION ALREADY.

2: As far as DENSITY is concerned, a great many, perhaps the majority of communities have ZONING LAWS.

And they keep their small cities and towns liveable, by refusing to grant Building Permits to construction that they feel would be damaging to their culture.

CONCLUSION: If (and this is a big if), we could largely eliminate Immigration, and tighten Zoning Laws, we might still be able to arrest America's DECLINE.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Here's a couple of things to consider:

1: The MEDIA is constantly reporting on the "Tragedy" of DECLINING BIRTH RATES in the Civilized World. That sounds to me like educated people realize a large family is difficult to support, and is actually unfair to any children you do bear. This is happening naturally.

Of course, to the MEDIA, this is terrible. And can only be solved by opening the FloodGates to the THIRD WORLD.

NATURE AND CULTURE IS PROVIDING A SOLUTION ALREADY.

2: As far as DENSITY is concerned, a great many, perhaps the majority of communities have ZONING LAWS.

And they keep their small cities and towns liveable, by refusing to grant Building Permits to construction that they feel would be damaging to their culture.

CONCLUSION: If (and this is a big if), we could largely eliminate Immigration, and tighten Zoning Laws, we might still be able to arrest America's DECLINE.

The biggest issue I currently see with declining birth rates is, who's birth rates? If we continue to have small families then we will loose our culture.

 

[Catskillkid]

Aye.

WELFARE.

BREAD & CIRCUSES

And who can blame them ?

But it never lasts.



Here's a couple of things to consider:

1: The MEDIA is constantly reporting on the "Tragedy" of DECLINING BIRTH RATES in the Civilized World. That sounds to me like educated people realize a large family is difficult to support, and is actually unfair to any children you do bear. This is happening naturally.

Of course, to the MEDIA, this is terrible. And can only be solved by opening the FloodGates to the THIRD WORLD.

NATURE AND CULTURE IS PROVIDING A SOLUTION ALREADY.

2: As far as DENSITY is concerned, a great many, perhaps the majority of communities have ZONING LAWS.

And they keep their small cities and towns liveable, by refusing to grant Building Permits to construction that they feel would be damaging to their culture.

CONCLUSION: If (and this is a big if), we could largely eliminate Immigration, and tighten Zoning Laws, we might still be able to arrest America's DECLINE.

I'm not entirely in disagreement, but I think American's decline goes further than that. There is a cultural rot that is all but irreversible in my opinion. None of our civic institutions can be relied on anymore and no one is stepping up to try and make them right. When the Romans let the barbarians field their armies, direct their economy, and engage their government then it was curtains for them and the greatest empire ever. They basically abdicated their culture and let barbarians replace them, which is what I happening to us now.

The biggest issue I currently see with declining birth rates is, who's birth rates? If we continue to have small families then we will loose our culture.

Exhibit A. Hispanics and Islamists are reproducing like rabbits and will replace the dominate (I'll say it...mostly white) culture. It would be a peaceful transition if these demographics actually believed in American values and governance, but the reality is they don't.

 

[CaseHardened]

I'm not entirely in disagreement, but I think American's decline goes further than that. There is a cultural rot that is all but irreversible in my opinion. None of our civic institutions can be relied on anymore and no one is stepping up to try and make them right. When the Romans let the barbarians field their armies, direct their economy, and engage their government then it was curtains for them and the greatest empire ever. They basically abdicated their culture and let barbarians replace them, which is what I happening to us now.



Exhibit A. Hispanics and Islamists are reproducing like rabbits and will replace the dominate (I'll say it...mostly white) culture. It would be a peaceful transition if these demographics actually believed in American values and governance, but the reality is they don't.

It would be completely legal (IMHO) to offer ALL Government Services ONLY in ENGLISH. Especially schools and welfare.

I know we are not Canada, but many people seem to admire our northern neighbor.

I'm betting they do not realize that in FRENCH QUEBEC, that all signs must be in FRENCH. And French ONLY.

I believe we could institute a similar policy for ENGLISH - at least for Public Signage.

 

[CaseHardened]

The biggest issue I currently see with declining birth rates is, who's birth rates? If we continue to have small families then we will loose our culture.

The Japanese are not losing their culture.

We should have as much respect for ours that they have for their own.