CMP 1911's Jump through hoops

[thegatman]

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified updated 12/12/2017:

1. CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.
2. Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt. CMP will price at fair market value in accordance with CMP's enabling legislation.
3. Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, 02, 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. These are "store front" FFLs.
4. A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the "store front" FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
5. The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check, in which the information is provided by the FFL holder to NICS, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
6. Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
7. No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales. All 1911 orders will come in via USPS, UPS, Fed EX, etc.
8. CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
9. Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery, USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, etc.
10. Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
11. Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
12. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
13. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
14. When the customer is contacted a list of 1911grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one 1911 type pistol.
15. As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grades and pricing options will be available.

Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one the information provided by CMP to NICS and the second the information will be provided to NICS by the FFL dealer in which the pistol is shipped.

Ordering Information: CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value.



Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org

 

[Bananabandit]

Fair market value...haa

 

[Phazer]

Seriously? Go through THAT to buy a potential beater of a 1911? No...thanks....

 

[Depick]

Screw that il buy a kimber

 

[GOPerfect]

I shot some of these, why anyone would want one baffles me. They are junk.

 

[GUNSICK]

Can't beat the price of $200 each. Sucks only one a year.

 

[GOPerfect]

Can't beat the price of $200 each. Sucks only one a year.

Where did you see the price?

 

[MikeyCNY]

Can't beat the price of $200 each. Sucks only one a year.

That's not the price I've heard, more like $800+.. While I'd love one to pair with my CMP Garand, that's a bit much..

 

[kev74]

I can see WWI and WWII vintage guns going for big money. I don't see a 60-70's vintage rebuilt parts gun going for that.

 

[fartgamer]

I’m in for one, at least.

 

[redtail]

Can't wait to see the offerings. The collector in me is giddy.

 

[Glenn B]

I don't see any hoops through which they want you to jump. Most of that is pretty much what they do for all firearms purchases at the CMP, except when I got a rifle from them they did not go through an FFL (do not recall but maybe because I had C&R at time and rifle was eligible). Since these are pistols I guess there are additional requirements under current law or regulation that require them or make sense for them to do it this way.

I might purchase one, if I can come up with the money and think them worth whatever they charge. I have all the required documentation and am pretty certain I will pass a NICS check unless there is a foul-up with the system, I have passed all others I have gone through.

As for a limit of one per year, sounds reasonable to me the way they put it. So too does the requirement to send in a new order packet, the way they put it was in essence to give everyone a fair chance, etc. Anyway, the amount they sell at once to anyone is not my decision, nor yours, it is up to CMP. Your decision, my decision, our decision is whether to buy one. If you don't buy one, they run out and you later kick yourself in the arse for not buying one - well don't do it to hard and try to remember they are only shitty guns. How do they refer to that - sour grapes - isn't it!