Compromise on Gun Control? Yeah, Right!!!!!

[Drinkthekoolaid]

any compromise on the second amendment is surrender as far as I'm concerned.

100%. I can't recall a "compromise" that ever worked out for our sides benefit.

No more "compromise".



Real genuine compromise is where both sides get what they want and give up something they don't want to. A genuine compromise would be something like this:
Background checks for gun purchases and pistol and rifle licenses are needed. In turn that gets legal gun owners the ability to buy anything they want including SBRs suppressors etc and since they are vetted they are allowed to carry anywhere and with state reciprocity no sensitive zones either.

See, real compromise will never happen so it's best for us to fight for everything possible and give up nothing. The left is not interested in compromise they are only interested in incrementally achieving their goals and for use to negotiate with them in good faith is a fools errand.

 

[DamionMC]

Why is it the Americans and the US Constitution are the only ones Compromising? Its never the hoplophobic, or anti-American politicians (aka Democrats and RINO's) that ever comrpomise.

 

[Acer-m14]

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Why is it the Americans and the US Constitution are the only ones Compromising? Its never the hoplophobic, or anti-American politicians (aka Democrats and RINO's) that ever comrpomise.

and let me guess

it was the NRA in all of that Compromising ..

and not look at ShitCago Chicago ... only ones with guns there are shooting up the streets and killing there own ..

 

[Acer-m14]

i'm up for a compromise ..

I get everything the Leo and Govt get for free ..

 

[DamionMC]

and let me guess

it was the NRA in all of that Compromising ..

and not look at ShitCago Chicago ... only ones with guns there are shooting up the streets and killing there own ..

Yup, the worst "civil liberties" advocacy group - who are really just a Democrat Party money laundering front masquerading as a pro-2A group

 

[Acer-m14]

let go back to mail order .. no govt needed . .

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

On a roll!

 

[spat]

Only IF:
1) Background checks are no more than "did you become ineligible to own a firearm since the last background check you had." And ONLY for guns. NOT ammo, not "parts"...JUST guns.

2) "Permits" are nothing more than "Hey, State, I own a gun. You don't need to know what or how many, and I don't need your permission. I inform you of my ownership as a courtesy, and expect you to be courteous of my Rights."

How about a voter registration form is all the proof you need to pick up anything you want, cash on the barrel.

 

[Cooolone]

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!

Let's start there...

Once the other side can accept this premise, the only BOR with specific instructions, then we can talk about what it means! Otherwise fuck off!

 

[Jmac00]

call wayne, he'll give our rights away to protect his paycheck

 

[spat]

How about this compromise.

You give up trying to control our guns, and we won't have to see what the battles of Lexington and Concord would have looked like with IEDs...

 

[DamionMC]

and let me guess

it was the NRA in all of that Compromising ..

and not look at ShitCago Chicago ... only ones with guns there are shooting up the streets and killing there own ..

If you know anything about the NRA, then you'd be correct in identifying that the NRA is the sole organization that has pushed and passed every single unconstitutional law since the 1911 NY Sullivan's Act. The NRA started as a organization that would allow gun control acts, but manage the process to minimize the affect against its own members. The NRA has never been a 2a civil liberties protection group, and since the 1970's was ully captured by the Democrats to be utilized as its preferred money laundering front; the NRA initially supported various gun control measures in its earlier years. In fact, the organization advocated for what it considered "workable, enforceable gun control legislation"

The National Rifle Association (NRA) colloquially Negotiating Rights Away, has long been a central figure in discussions surrounding Second Amendment rights and gun control in the United States. While many are misled and assume that those associated with the NRA are staunchly defending individual gun ownership rights, a closer look at its history reveals this is not and has never been the case.

The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."
— NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA’s American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22
Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.

"The duty of Congress is clear," Orth said, "it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails."

The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. … NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

Unless someone has evidence to prove that the NRA lied to its membership in its premier magazine, let the record show that the NRA got behind the first unconstitutional federal gun law in America and then bragged about having done so, many years later — decades after the law had been continually used to violate the rights of untold numbers of American citizens, including, surely, their own members.

By the way, the "Dodd" to which the above quote refers is the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd. Senator Dodd mimicked the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938, applied the underlying principles to the Gun Control Act of 1968, and took a leading role in getting the bill signed into federal law.
The NRA supported the original "Dodd Bill" to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.

In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.


"The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition … "

Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.

Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the "mail order murder" to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.

The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.

"The NRA supported the original ’Dodd Bill’ to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun."

"In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns."

Not only has NRA management long supported gun owner registration, they’ve worked hard for it and still do. And NRA’s current management still supports "penalties" for exercising your rights, which they now call "zero tolerance enforcement". (See Project Exile Condemnation Coalition and the Project Exile Archives for more information.)

"Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s ’terrible indictment’ of the NRA is groundless."

NRA’s 1968 article below. A "97-year record" of supporting gun control, to NRA’s management, was a matter of pride. Some things never change:

"We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act. … We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government. … That’s why we support Project Exile -- the fierce prosecution of federal gun laws … we think it’s reasonable because it works. … We only support what works and our list is proud."
— NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
Congressional Testimony, May 27, 1999
Hearing Before 106th Congress
House of Representatives
Committee On The Judiciary
Subcommittee On Crime
First Session: Pending Firearms Legislation and the Administration's Enforcement of Current Gun Laws

Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:

"A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. … The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State."
The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.

When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:

NRA Secretary Daniel

"The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction--that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois."

The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.

Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that the NRA has never been a pro-2A organization and has existed solely to scam gun owners out of their donations and compromise (negotiate) their rights away.


Then for the money laundering aspects.

massive amounts of money going to a lawyer, William Brewer, who had been sanctioned for ethical violations, and given substantial aid and comfort to candidates like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

in a new development, speculation is running rampant over on the AR15.com forum with documents about LaPierre “running a shell company with a Clinton CPA,” with some perceiving significance and others not so much.

with LaPierre and with NRA under his stewardship – in terms of “compromises” and outright betrayals of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. While he’s not responsible for NRA-backed infringements before he took the helm, he has never spoken against or tried to correct them.

LaPierre has maintained all of his Democrat Party connections from waaaaaay back in the day when he was a DNC operative BEFORE becoming NRA EVP. He's been laundering NRA member monies to Democrat connections through his (and his wife's), and various "NRA" lawyers multiple SHELL CORPORATIONS.

I wonder how much of this is known to the inner circle at NRA, considering that it didn't take much for some nobodies in the gun community to dig up these PUBLIC documents:

BREAKING: NRA's Wayne LaPierre running shell company with a Clinton CPA and more #NoWLPinNRA - AR15.COM

EXPOSED: NRA’s Top Lawyer Donates to Big Democrats

 

[Acer-m14]

If you know anything about the NRA, then you'd be correct in identifying that the NRA is the sole organization that has pushed and passed every single unconstitutional law since the 1911 NY Sullivan's Act. The NRA started as a organization that would allow gun control acts, but manage the process to minimize the affect against its own members. The NRA has never been a 2a civil liberties protection group, and since the 1970's was ully captured by the Democrats to be utilized as its preferred money laundering front; the NRA initially supported various gun control measures in its earlier years. In fact, the organization advocated for what it considered "workable, enforceable gun control legislation"

The National Rifle Association (NRA) colloquially Negotiating Rights Away, has long been a central figure in discussions surrounding Second Amendment rights and gun control in the United States. While many are misled and assume that those associated with the NRA are staunchly defending individual gun ownership rights, a closer look at its history reveals this is not and has never been the case.

The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."
— NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA’s American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22
Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.

"The duty of Congress is clear," Orth said, "it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails."

The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. … NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

Unless someone has evidence to prove that the NRA lied to its membership in its premier magazine, let the record show that the NRA got behind the first unconstitutional federal gun law in America and then bragged about having done so, many years later — decades after the law had been continually used to violate the rights of untold numbers of American citizens, including, surely, their own members.

By the way, the "Dodd" to which the above quote refers is the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd. Senator Dodd mimicked the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938, applied the underlying principles to the Gun Control Act of 1968, and took a leading role in getting the bill signed into federal law.
The NRA supported the original "Dodd Bill" to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.

In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.


"The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition … "

Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.

Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the "mail order murder" to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.

The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.

"The NRA supported the original ’Dodd Bill’ to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun."

"In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns."

Not only has NRA management long supported gun owner registration, they’ve worked hard for it and still do. And NRA’s current management still supports "penalties" for exercising your rights, which they now call "zero tolerance enforcement". (See Project Exile Condemnation Coalition and the Project Exile Archives for more information.)

"Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s ’terrible indictment’ of the NRA is groundless."

NRA’s 1968 article below. A "97-year record" of supporting gun control, to NRA’s management, was a matter of pride. Some things never change:

"We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act. … We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government. … That’s why we support Project Exile -- the fierce prosecution of federal gun laws … we think it’s reasonable because it works. … We only support what works and our list is proud."
— NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
Congressional Testimony, May 27, 1999
Hearing Before 106th Congress
House of Representatives
Committee On The Judiciary
Subcommittee On Crime
First Session: Pending Firearms Legislation and the Administration's Enforcement of Current Gun Laws

Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:

"A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. … The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State."
The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.

When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:

NRA Secretary Daniel

"The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction--that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois."

The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.

Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that the NRA has never been a pro-2A organization and has existed solely to scam gun owners out of their donations and compromise (negotiate) their rights away.


Then for the money laundering aspects.

massive amounts of money going to a lawyer, William Brewer, who had been sanctioned for ethical violations, and given substantial aid and comfort to candidates like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

in a new development, speculation is running rampant over on the AR15.com forum with documents about LaPierre “running a shell company with a Clinton CPA,” with some perceiving significance and others not so much.

with LaPierre and with NRA under his stewardship – in terms of “compromises” and outright betrayals of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. While he’s not responsible for NRA-backed infringements before he took the helm, he has never spoken against or tried to correct them.

LaPierre has maintained all of his Democrat Party connections from waaaaaay back in the day when he was a DNC operative BEFORE becoming NRA EVP. He's been laundering NRA member monies to Democrat connections through his (and his wife's), and various "NRA" lawyers multiple SHELL CORPORATIONS.

I wonder how much of this is known to the inner circle at NRA, considering that it didn't take much for some nobodies in the gun community to dig up these PUBLIC documents:

BREAKING: NRA's Wayne LaPierre running shell company with a Clinton CPA and more #NoWLPinNRA - AR15.COM

EXPOSED: NRA’s Top Lawyer Donates to Big Democrats

no shit ..

and the NRA are still at it ..

In gun law push, Tennessee governor's office memo says NRA prefers to 'round up mentally ill people'

Documents obtained by The Associated Press show Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee’s administration accused the National Rifle Association of wanting to use involuntary commitment laws “to round up mentally ill people and deprive them of other liberties." The talking points came in memos drafted by the...

apnews.com

 

[Deplorable Me]

Compromise?

Understand the difference between rape and seduction and you'll understand the mindset of anti 2A compromise. (You're getting screwed no matter what.) It's an exercise in psychological warfare to get people to give up as much as possible before they have to apply force.