Constitutionality conversation.

[spat]

But here is the thing. You keep saying "my view" and "I am trying to show"...but I didn't make up any of the link articles. Those are the definitions that exist and I am going with them.

Why this whole marathon anyway?

It's your view, not you individually, but you and the people who use your terminology.

My terminology isn't mine personally, it is a common set of definitions that I prefer over the ones you use.

"Your" framework isn't invalid, I just find it less useful than the one I prefer.

I find people using your framework float back and forth between "gnostic atheist" and "agnostic atheist" positions as it suits their argument by just saying "atheist" all the time. They obscure the faults in their reasoning this way. My framework prevents them from doing this. Anyone using your framework should be required to explicitly state whether they mean gnostic or agnostic whenever they say atheist. I find that cumbersome.

As far as why this has gone on so long, it's simple. It takes 2 to argue, and apparently we are both enjoying the discussion.

 

[GOPerfect]

The actual text contained in the document is what decides. It’s pretty damned simple. You don’t need the people or a judge to decide it.

Yes you do. Ant time political elite get involved, you need a higher power

 

[GOPerfect]

Um yea really!

The people choose! individually, nobody else is suppose to decide your rights. I don't decide yours, you don't decide mine. Your rights end where mine begin and visa versa.

This is not reality. I live in a realist type world, as long as the Politicians continue to pass laws, not just against the 2A, we need a court system to clean things up.

None of us have to like this, hell, we all hate it, but this is the world in which we find ourselves.

 

[GOPerfect]

I began this thread in the hopes of opening some minds, get people to research a bit, learn a bit. Talk about the reality of what is happening today.

I know what is in the document, I can read, very well. I understand nearly every word and the meaning of those words as well as the next guy.

What is written, how things were meant to be, is not what we have today. That is real. Because so many in the US of A have lost sight of the visions of our Founding Fathers, my question was basically, what is next? How do we get things corrected? And so on.

Apparently, the idea behind this thread was lost.

 

[holdover]

I ""believe"" the thread went South, But I cant prove it.

 

[spat]

I began this thread in the hopes of opening some minds, get people to research a bit, learn a bit. Talk about the reality of what is happening today.

I know what is in the document, I can read, very well. I understand nearly every word and the meaning of those words as well as the next guy.

What is written, how things were meant to be, is not what we have today. That is real. Because so many in the US of A have lost sight of the visions of our Founding Fathers, my question was basically, what is next? How do we get things corrected? And so on.

Apparently, the idea behind this thread was lost.

You are correct in your assessment of the problem, but the solutions are not pretty.

It will take a revolution. Best case is a revolution at the ballot box. Trumps election gives me hope, but I still think he is a speed bump not a u-turn.

Of the realistic possibilities, If we're lucky it will be relatively peaceful like the collapse of the Soviet union. If not, Venezuela followed by the French revolution.

If we don't manage that, 1984, Brave New World and Farenheit 451.

 

[GOPerfect]

If we don't manage that, 1984, Brave New World and Farenheit 451.

All rolled up into one.

 

[holdover]

What is written, how things were meant to be, is not what we have today. That is real. Because so many in the US of A have lost sight of the visions of our Founding Fathers, my question was basically, what is next? How do we get things corrected? And so on.

I don't believe We can. The values of the free market, capitalism, constitution , freedoms are not taught to children anymore. Hence why your seeing groups like antifa , that reject everything the country is. Our parents and our grandparents Instilled the values of our country to us, We read about it in school, we saw it at the movies , We watched it on TV . Today the exact opposite is happening. Division seems to be the word of the day.

“Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.”

― Vladimir Lenin

 

[Marine Cpl]

I ""believe"" the thread went South, But I cant prove it.

Guess we will have to refer this one to the courts so they can determine when the thread went south.

 

[Robin]

And so it is written.
Robin