96coal449
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Thoughts?
Although I'm aware of the process, I am weary.
Although I'm aware of the process, I am weary.
Convention of States
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DoOver
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Been listening to Mark Levin for years behind this.
96coal449
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Your thoughts? I've been aware but that's about it.
I am weary when states like NY are looking to get onboard.
DoOver
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New York would not even get on board with our OUR Revolution!!
Keep track of these plays, because this is what our gov will do to us. Plan ahead, fuck banks.
Acer-m14
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bump .. to keep in the know on this ..
all i know or thought is .. ok . this is what we are bringing to the table to change .. and is accepted .. then nothing more can be added ..
but i agree term limits could be a SNAFU .. should be more like they only get paid min wage , no pensions ..
all i know or thought is .. ok . this is what we are bringing to the table to change .. and is accepted .. then nothing more can be added ..
but i agree term limits could be a SNAFU .. should be more like they only get paid min wage , no pensions ..
Truebeliever
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You guys realize the danger in such conventions. They might just get rid of certain amendments in the bill of rights. It’s a free for all.
Paxal
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Evidently there is no way to limit the scope of the convention. Once open anything can be introduced.
There is just as much danger for the government powers as there is to the people’s rights. It is a crap shoot but I do not believe it is any more hazardous than a government run amuck.
The thing is there are more conservative states now and each state gets one vote. So right now the odds are in the favor of conservatives vs the liberals. Nothing good comes easy or cheap.
The thing is there are more conservative states now and each state gets one vote. So right now the odds are in the favor of conservatives vs the liberals. Nothing good comes easy or cheap.
Phazer
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Wrong.
The Convention of States is specifically for the proposal of amendments. The states in attendance at the convention would need to approve proposals to be sent to states. Three fourths of the states would then need to ratify such proposals in order for them to become constitutional amendments.
There is no possibility of a "runaway convention." That is just the fear rhetoric put forth by the establishment that fears the American people taking control of the reins in our democracy.
For your perusal:
Article V, U.S. Constitution
* * * * * * * * * * Article V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in...
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Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
Phazer
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Yes. Anything can be proposed. BUT...unless the states in attendance vote to pass such a proposal out of the convention to the states, nothing moves forward. Any proposals still need to be ratified by 3/4 of the U.S. states.
We could probably get through:
- Term limits
- Balanced budget
- Methods to reign in SCOTUS mandates through super majority of states opposing a ruling
- Voter ID
Even if the convention voted through a proposal to repeal the 2nd amendment, do you seriously think that 3/4 of the states will ratify such an amendment? NFW!
Convention of States Action
Article V offers the only constitutional solution as big as the problem. Together, we can end federal overreach.
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There has already been a mock convention held in order to determine how such a convention would logistically work.
Phazer
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Col. George Mason...BRILLIANT foresight.
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Dr. Evil
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He has no idea how right he was.
Phazer
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After the Progressives got the 17th amendment passed, the states were removed from the federal government (since senators were originally elected by state legislatures to represent their states).
An Article V Convention of States is now the only constitutional tool that the states have available to assert their control over the federal government.
An Article V Convention of States is now the only constitutional tool that the states have available to assert their control over the federal government.
Phazer
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I genuinely hope that the last two years of massive overreach by the federal government will spur states to move towards an Article V convention.
I believe that Col. George Mason insisted on the Article V convention option as a "Break Glass In Case of Emergency" provision. He had the prescience to see a time when congress had amassed power unto themselves and they would no longer be willing to relinquish such power. He saw such a convention as a way for the people, through their state representatives, to set straight the wrong turns by the federal government.
I believe that Col. George Mason insisted on the Article V convention option as a "Break Glass In Case of Emergency" provision. He had the prescience to see a time when congress had amassed power unto themselves and they would no longer be willing to relinquish such power. He saw such a convention as a way for the people, through their state representatives, to set straight the wrong turns by the federal government.
Phazer
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Mark Levin's The Liberty Amendments would be the perfect foundation for an Article V convention.
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Dr. Evil
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Isn't that right Mr. Producer?
Phazer
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DoOver
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"Thank me. Thank me very much!!"
Truebeliever
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Maybe but who goes to the convention? And could an anti-second admendment make it thru. And what makes anyone think that any admendment we want could get three fourths of the states to approve it. Remember how democrats work. They will change the meaning of the words after the fact. They could all for 15 court justices instead of 9 and get the media to attempt to sell it.Wrong.
The Convention of States is specifically for the proposal of amendments. The states in attendance at the convention would need to approve proposals to be sent to states. Three fourths of the states would then need to ratify such proposals in order for them to become constitutional amendments.
There is no possibility of a "runaway convention." That is just the fear rhetoric put forth by the establishment that fears the American people taking control of the reins in our democracy.
For your perusal:
Article V, U.S. Constitution
* * * * * * * * * * Article V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in...
Article VThe Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
Or they could get the electoral college disbanded for a popular vote win. Now the rural states lose ability to influence presidential elections .
And remember, they might not have all the states now, but they already tried to do that by an interstate compact and got some of the rural states to sign on because the democrats came into power for an election cycle
Acer-m14
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if we can get more states to drop there permit requirements to reach that 3/4 mark or more .,. then we maybe could amend the 2A with more a bite in the ass to anyone that tries to write , sponsor , vote , pass a gun law ...
Phazer
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The states determine the size and composition of their delegations. However, each state gets only one vote.
Possibly. It is certainly conceivable that a proposed amendment to repeal the second amendment could make it through the convention.
If such a proposal was sent to the states, do you seriously believe that 38 states would ratify such an amendment? I do not.
I think that there are many nonpartisan amendments that "we" want that could certainly get sent to the states. For example, national voter ID, term limits for congress, and a balanced budget amendment.
The senate can change the number of supreme court justices at any time. That is already within their power.
Again, such a proposal could certainly get sent to the states. If it did, it would only take 13 states to refuse ratification to prevent such a proposal from becoming a constitutional amendment. There are certainly more than 13 states that would not want to see their national representation in federal elections degraded by repeal of the electoral college.
So...you're telling me that anti-constitutional Progressives will try to subvert the constitution? I'm going to agree with you on that. In that case, perhaps you should champion a proposal that bolsters the electoral college at an Article V convention.
BerettaGuy
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Be careful what you wish for!
Do you really think that working people are going to put their lives on hold to attend meetings and conventions to make things better?
I say no way.
But the idealist communist certainly will, I call them Progressives. After all, who can be against progress?
The first "War between the States" was really a war between Democrats and those that didn't agree with Democrats. As will the next one be. Except for today, Democrats are "Progressive", because who can be against progress. If you don't agree with them, you are an asshole.
Do you really think that working people are going to put their lives on hold to attend meetings and conventions to make things better?
I say no way.
But the idealist communist certainly will, I call them Progressives. After all, who can be against progress?
The first "War between the States" was really a war between Democrats and those that didn't agree with Democrats. As will the next one be. Except for today, Democrats are "Progressive", because who can be against progress. If you don't agree with them, you are an asshole.
BerettaGuy
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The one that made the largest "campaign donation" to Houichul or Cuomo or Sheldon Silver back in the day.
Phazer
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Several states that have passed resolutions calling for the Article V convention have already passed laws requiring their delegations to vote in accordance with instructions from the state legislature. Not following such instructions has been made a criminal offense, in some states.
There would surely be some horse trading with regards to wording of proposals and on which proposals would get a majority to be forwarded to the states. But, such was the situation when prior amendments were worked out in congress and subsequently sent to the states.
Bottom line: I trust a 3/4 vote of the states to do something FOR me more than I trust a majority in congress to do something TO me.
Phazer
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Correct.
Delegations would be sent by states to the convention. People could watch the televised proceedings, if they wish.
Ideally, the initial slate of proposed amendments would be available before the convention so that people could lobby their state legislatures regarding their wishes on how they want their state to vote.
Agreed.
If by "asshole" you mean "constitutionalist." Then I agree, again.
Phazer
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COS Simulation
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From the simulated convention in 2016:
The Convention passed amendment proposals on the following six ideas:
- The public debt shall not be increased except upon a recorded vote of two-thirds of each house of Congress.
- Term limits on Congress
- Limiting federal overreach by returning the Commerce Clause to its original meaning
- Limiting the power of federal regulations by giving an easy congressional override
- Require a super majority for federal taxes and repeal the 16th Amendment
- Give the states (by a 3/5ths vote) the power to abrogate any federal law, regulation or executive order.
Truebeliever
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The same thing that stops them would stop us.
Phazer
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Please elaborate.