Somehow we started talking about NYS Pistol permits on a club (not gun related) e-mail distribution and I felt compelled to offer my 2 cents, LOL. Cross posted on AA as I feel it's important. We all need to do our part. Read from bottom up.
On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:15 PM , CG wrote:
It's unfortunate that the NY courts and politicians have conditioned so many of its law abiding citizens "to feel lucky" to have been afforded a pistol permit. They would have us believe (and many do) it is somehow a privilege when in fact preservation of life and liberty is an unalienable right bestowed upon every American citizen and the right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. Most of the country gets this and other state's citizens don't have to jump through legal and administrative hoops for something as simple as carrying a pistol for self defense. In fact, go as close as VT which has no permit requirement whatsoever to purchase or carry a pistol. It's sad, really.
From: "JS"
Thank you for the explanation. When I applied and had my interview with the judge, while he was in session with multiple people and he was giving everyone sentences or fines, he told me that he was not approving my license as written but making it an "unrestricted" license. Later on, his secretary told me that he never gives that to a "civilian". So, I consider myself lucky, I guess.
JS
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On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, CG wrote:
NY PL 400 generally provides for two types of pistol permits within NYS (excluding NYC), to have and possess ("premises" permit) and to have and carry concealed ("carry" permit). Some judges have taken it upon themselves to place "administrative restrictions" on carry permits further limiting circumstances in which the permit holder may carry concealed such as "Sportsman" or "Camping, Hiking, Hunting, Fishing & Target Shooting". Where no such administrative restrictions are placed on permit holder, the permit is said to be "Unrestricted". Some permits actually state "Unrestricted" while others do not. It varies both by county and by judge. Technically (and legally) all NYS Carry Pistol Permits are "Full carry" as there is no provision for such administrative restrictions in the Penal Law. Accordingly, they carry no force of law. That said, if a permit holder is caught carrying outside of whatever restrictions have been placed on the permit, the judge may revoke the license (at any time for any reason) so it is advisable to abide by any such restrictions. Having "Unrestricted" is obviously the best one (generally, an "ordinary" citizen within NYS) can hope for when applying for a permit. The vast majority of states place no such restrictions on it's otherwise lawful citizens. /rant
Chris G
From: "JS"
Very nice write up in the procedures. My only question is, what is a "unrestricted" license ?
Thanks,
On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:15 PM , CG wrote:
It's unfortunate that the NY courts and politicians have conditioned so many of its law abiding citizens "to feel lucky" to have been afforded a pistol permit. They would have us believe (and many do) it is somehow a privilege when in fact preservation of life and liberty is an unalienable right bestowed upon every American citizen and the right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution. Most of the country gets this and other state's citizens don't have to jump through legal and administrative hoops for something as simple as carrying a pistol for self defense. In fact, go as close as VT which has no permit requirement whatsoever to purchase or carry a pistol. It's sad, really.
From: "JS"
Thank you for the explanation. When I applied and had my interview with the judge, while he was in session with multiple people and he was giving everyone sentences or fines, he told me that he was not approving my license as written but making it an "unrestricted" license. Later on, his secretary told me that he never gives that to a "civilian". So, I consider myself lucky, I guess.
JS
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, CG wrote:
NY PL 400 generally provides for two types of pistol permits within NYS (excluding NYC), to have and possess ("premises" permit) and to have and carry concealed ("carry" permit). Some judges have taken it upon themselves to place "administrative restrictions" on carry permits further limiting circumstances in which the permit holder may carry concealed such as "Sportsman" or "Camping, Hiking, Hunting, Fishing & Target Shooting". Where no such administrative restrictions are placed on permit holder, the permit is said to be "Unrestricted". Some permits actually state "Unrestricted" while others do not. It varies both by county and by judge. Technically (and legally) all NYS Carry Pistol Permits are "Full carry" as there is no provision for such administrative restrictions in the Penal Law. Accordingly, they carry no force of law. That said, if a permit holder is caught carrying outside of whatever restrictions have been placed on the permit, the judge may revoke the license (at any time for any reason) so it is advisable to abide by any such restrictions. Having "Unrestricted" is obviously the best one (generally, an "ordinary" citizen within NYS) can hope for when applying for a permit. The vast majority of states place no such restrictions on it's otherwise lawful citizens. /rant
Chris G
From: "JS"
Very nice write up in the procedures. My only question is, what is a "unrestricted" license ?
Thanks,
