Court: Cops have the right to frisk everyone

[Truebeliever]

That may be the case in your department but you cannot say it's the case in all departments.

Not all but most departments.

Also it's Feds get involved if it was their database misused and in NYS, the state police get involve in the misuse of a database maintained by them.

As far as unfair disciplinary process. Pew research did a poll of 8000 LEOs. 53 percent believed it was unfair.


To give an example, I talked to cop from D.C. He told me this story.

The police cars there are wired to have the police lights turned on whenever the car is on. The police officer has no control over the lights on or off other than turning off the car.

An officer there got a complaint that he was driving like s privledged white man because the lights were on.

And the complaint was entertained and it is on the officer's record.

Or a cop from California. Someone took a picture of him giving a ticket to a kid on a tricycle. It went around social media. And the brass in his department gave him a hit over it ( I forget what the punishment was). What the story that's not told that the kid in the picture was his son and he was "playing" with him.

When every I really meet cops from out of town and we have time to trade stories, they are often stories how their department screwed someone over. If you. Only knew half the horror stories I have heard

 

[GOPerfect]

That may be the case in your department but you cannot say it's the case in all departments.

I will say that each and every major department has people working to do anything they can to Jam up other Officers.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I will say that each and every major department has people working to do anything they can to Jam up other Officers.

I'm not too sure about that. Major ones, yes. But small town PD's..... No.

I'm almost positive that my town department that consists of 5 to 10 cops max ( probably closer to 5 )if that has no such thing. They are so small that the town next door has to provide backup on a regular basis.

 

[Doc8404]

I have to go interview with one of our oversight units on thursday due to an incident where the perp admitted he deserved it when asked by the civilian complaint review board which, interestingly, self-initiated the case against me without receiving a complaint because now the department turns over records to them without ever being asked to.

Ain't that grand? I now have a permanent complaint on my record that wasn't even filed by the "victim". What a fair system WE cowboy, unregulated, uncontrolled, rights-demolishing cops deal with.

Screw the PBA attorney. With all that Trump OT you sucked up, you can afford a real one

 

[GOPerfect]

That is why I said MAJOR Departments

 

[Criticalt]

I did not see the episode but how do you know she was only in town for a few days? Her word? Does she have a prostitution history? You don't know. And most prostitutes in Vegas are from out of town. I have locked up hookers too.

I did not see the episode but women who engages in conversation in a prostitution prone area and comes up to different guys in an attempt to engage in conversation is reasonable suspicion for the stop in that jurisdiction. She was not free to leave at that point. He can go further in his investigation like run her name and history. Ask questions or have another unit approach the guys she talked to.
When you do the hooker detail you learn what to spot etc, etc.

Plenty of videos showing hookers on the street attempting to get business. Watch a few and you will see what is done to advertise their trade. Often subtle, but there.

The cops that walk that beat know ALL the hookers. The cops said they have never seen her before. They repeatedly told her they were not accusing her of anything.
They saw her talking to a guy outside a club, just talking. One cop said he saw her an hour ago talking to another guy. That is NOT a crime in any jurisdiction. I would not want to live in a country where a girl cant TALK, not screw, TALK to various people.
If that was my girlfriend the cops would have been sued and they would have lost, guaranteed, 100%.
I dont care what other women do on the LV strip, you CANNOT suspect every women talking to men.
She stopped for them, she showed her ID, she did everything they asked. Eventually she started to walk away, one cop grabbed her arm and she tried to get away. They took her to the ground, ripped her shirt and arrested her.
Lke I said in previous posts, these cops were not going to let her go. They were going to harass her until she fought or fled, and they did.
I will find the episode and you decide if a woman talking to two guys is proof of prostitution.

 

[Airborneguy]

That may be the case in your department but you cannot say it's the case in all departments.

I seriously doubt there are any police departments left in this country that have ZERO oversight.

 

[Darth]

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"Are you a chef?

No?

Then don't tell Jeffrey Dahmer how to cook!"

 

[Truebeliever]

The cops that walk that beat know ALL the hookers. The cops said they have never seen her before. They repeatedly told her they were not accusing her of anything.
They saw her talking to a guy outside a club, just talking. One cop said he saw her an hour ago talking to another guy. That is NOT a crime in any jurisdiction. I would not want to live in a country where a girl cant TALK, not screw, TALK to various people.
If that was my girlfriend the cops would have been sued and they would have lost, guaranteed, 100%.
I dont care what other women do on the LV strip, you CANNOT suspect every women talking to men.
She stopped for them, she showed her ID, she did everything they asked. Eventually she started to walk away, one cop grabbed her arm and she tried to get away. They took her to the ground, ripped her shirt and arrested her.
Lke I said in previous posts, these cops were not going to let her go. They were going to harass her until she fought or fled, and they did.
I will find the episode and you decide if a woman talking to two guys is proof of prostitution.

No cops don't know all the hookers when new ones show up. It becomes apparent in how they talk to to men and how many? I'm not saying this girl did it because I didn't see the episode. You learn what to spot and how often they do it and where. Again watch hookers on the point and turn off the sound. Watch how they move as as they talk to the men. Look for what kind of items them have on them . Not the clothes but items such as KY, condoms, etc.

And no we don't suspect every woman or every man. Just like a poker game, in criminal activity there are "tells" that you learn as you get experience on the job.

Cops develop an eye for certain crimes. Some can spot a stolen car, some can see weapons on people, some know the drug scene, where a average person would say" how he'd know that" or there is no way he knew that and it's just he's just fishing and got lucky. No, every crime has a tell, some are better than others at reading it.

 

[spat]

I will say that each and every major department has people working to do anything they can to Jam up other Officers.

Just because they have people going after people over stupid stuff, doesn't mean they are also going after people consistently over real stuff.

You guys shouldn't have to deal with arbitrary persecution, but just because some people are getting crucified doesn't mean that there aren't others getting away with murder. In fact arbitrary prosecution generally means that all of the stuff is prosecuted arbitrarily, as in for every thing that is prosecuted that shouldn't be, there is probably something serious that is getting missed.

Just like the vast majority of people you deal with have no ill will toward you, but you need to watch out for that 1%, the rest of us know that 99% of the cops are good guys but we worry about that 1%.

The difference is that you get to size up the guy before you deal with him, if he feels dangerous you have many tools to protect yourself. If one of us runs into a bad cop, there's nothing much we can do about it.