Democrats Must Embrace Socialism Or Be Irrelevant

[Mosinitis]

Yeeee..... ok.

You're correct in your other comment that communists didn't invent famine.

They just seem to have perfected it.

Actually they succeeded in ending famines. Last one was right after WWII and that one was because of the war disrupting agriculture. They never had a single famine since then. They also transformed an agrarian country into industrial super power with 100% literacy and were first in space.
Next generation of Ukrainians will want to learn more, than recycled Nazi propaganda and revisionist history backed by millions of dollars spend by our government. The truth will always come out in the end.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I'd still like to have an objective, clear example please, besides retreaded post-cold war nostalgia-cum-propaganda.

I suppose the millions that died in China under Mao- also fabrication?

250,000+ in North Korea within the last 30 years, also?

Oh and ps you may not have meant to but pretty sure you accused me of using Nazi propaganda?

 

[Mosinitis]

I'd still like to have an objective, clear example please, besides retreaded post-cold war nostalgia-cum-propaganda.

I suppose the millions that died in China under Mao- also fabrication?

250,000+ in North Korea within the last 30 years, also?

Oh and ps you may not have meant to but pretty sure you accused me of using Nazi propaganda?

I am not an expert on China or North Korea. I know that Mao is still very popular in China, so they are not buying our propaganda. If we can lie and fabricate about Russia, we can do the same about other countries.
Perhaps you can explain, how Ukrainian Nationalists who came from Western Ukraine were the victims of Stalin's man-made famine. They were a part of Poland at the time the alleged genocide took place.

 

[Mosinitis]

Why would communists even create an artificial famine to undermine their own doctrine?

 

[Mosinitis]

Show me a single point brought up in Sputnik's article, which is not true. Most of it comes from Western historians, old NY Times expose and CIA's own documents.

 

[BDinPutnam]

"I know that Mao is still very popular in China."

According to who? I'm sure he is. I bet you'd love him too, at the barrel of a gun.

We haven't even gotten to Pol Pot yet.

 

[Mosinitis]

"I know that Mao is still very popular in China."

According to who? I'm sure he is. I bet you'd love him too, at the barrel of a gun.

We haven't even gotten to Pol Pot yet.

According to overwhelming majority of Chinese people. It was communist Vietnam that pushed Pol Pot out.

 

[BDinPutnam]

According to overwhelming majority of Chinese people. It was communist Vietnam that drove Pol Pot out.

And every German who wasn't "an idiot, insane, or an enemy of the state" was a Nazi.

I don't get your game but I don't like it. You deny things that Stalin admitted or was later admitted by his own government/comrades.

I suppose these were fake news too, in addition to Holomodor?

Katyn Massacre
Killing Fields of Cambodia (by the way you may be to the left of that notorious neocon Noam Chomsky if you deny this one)
"Great Leap Forward" in China
Cultural Revolution, also China
The brothers Castro selling harvested organs of executed political prisoners to Vietnam for hard currency

Let's see, what else.

I suppose that's all made up stuff that's designed to keep me from believing what, exactly?

What are you trying to sell, exactly, and why?

 

[Mosinitis]

And every German who wasn't "an idiot, insane, or an enemy of the state" was a Nazi.

I don't get your game but I don't like it. You deny things that Stalin admitted or was later admitted by his own government/comrades.

I suppose these were fake news too, in addition to Holomodor?

Katyn Massacre
Killing Fields of Cambodia (by the way you may be to the left of that notorious neocon Noam Chomsky if you deny this one)
"Great Leap Forward" in China
Cultural Revolution, also China
The brothers Castro selling harvested organs of executed political prisoners to Vietnam for hard currency

Let's see, what else.

I suppose that's all made up stuff that's designed to keep me from believing what, exactly?

What are you trying to sell, exactly, and why?

Stalin's cult of personality, paranoia and purges are well known. Stalin was condemned by the Soviet Communist party since the late 1950's. Every propaganda has elements of truth. We grossly exaggerated the scope of his crimes and ignored the positive things he accomplished. We needed to equate him to Hitler to push the narrative of enslavement of Eastern Europe. We used that to advance NATO eastwards. Look at how we revised Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement making Stalin an ally of Hitler. Who gave us the right to revise history?
Katyn is well known in Russia, but hardly anyone in the US knows about 14 thousand Russian POW's starved to death in Polish POW camps in 1920's.
Half of them were POW's who fought in WWI as our allies but were never returned home. We cherry pick only what helps our propaganda. That's not an accurate view of history.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Katyn is well known in Russia.

Hmm.

Better known in Poland I would think.

The Non-Aggression Pact aligned Stalin with Hitler, not revisionist history after the fact. I'm not using the word "ally" by design as I think you've thrown a red herring there.

Care to enlighten us on some of the "positive things" Stalin accomplished? Would like to think you have some concrete examples in mind.

 

[Acer-m14]

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[Mosinitis]

Most of the European powers made peace agreements with Hitler. Russia was the last country to do so. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was an agreement on territorial boundaries. Neither side was obligated to offer military, material or political support. Poland made a similar agreement with Nazi Germany and as soon as German troops marched into Czechoslovakia, Poland annexed Czech provinces in Eastern Silesia.

Would you care to guess what would be the outcome of WWII if Russia was led by someone like Gorbachev or Yeltsen instead of Stalin?
Who took in tenth of thousands of Polish Jews fleeing the Holacoust, while FDR sent back a whole ship of German Jews?
Who defended Mongolia from Japanese invasion and prevented atrocities like the once committed by them in Korea and China?

 

[BDinPutnam]

And?

 

[Mosinitis]

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a peace agreement between two ideological enemies. We rewrite history when we call this an alliance.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a peace agreement between two ideological enemies. We rewrite history when we call this an alliance.

I didn't call it an alliance.

In fact I very pointedly did not.

 

[Mosinitis]

I didn't call it an alliance.

In fact I very pointedly did not.

You didn't, but it is a part of the narrative used by our propaganda.

 

[Phazer]

Democrat platform:

"Make America Venezuela, now!"

 

[Blimey]

"basically access to healthcare, access to education"

No it's not. It's access to everything no matter how incompetent or lazy you may be. Socialism used to be a dirty word, and now they are embracing it. That guy in the video even bad mouths communism the way everybody used to socialism. I think it's reasonable to think if we continue down this path democrats will eventually embrace that as well.

What is causing this? That's an important question. Is it extra influence from south american voters? Because south america is essentially a series of failed states and they love spreading the wealth.

 

[Phazer]

What is causing this? That's an important question. Is it extra influence from south american voters? Because south america is essentially a series of failed states and they love LOVED spreading the wealth.

FIFY.

The general populations loved spreading the wealth when they thought they were getting something for nothing. The problem is: Eventually those paying stop working and stop paying. Eventually, government-seized utilities and farms become unproductive and stop producing. Eventually, civil services cease once civil servants cannot be paid due to loss of government revenue and hyperinflation (Venezuela Inflation Could Reach One Million Percent by Year’s End).

The only question: Will the uneducated, misinformed, electorate ever learn?

Answer: Probably not. Our general electorate is not permitted to learn. Our Left's propaganda arm (i.e. "the news media") simply tells the masses, "Well...THEY didn't do it right. WE will do it right...for you. Trust us."

 

[stuck in ny]

There is one point to socialism. It stops industry flight. You didn't see the soviet factories getting moved to china.

 

[BDinPutnam]

There is one point to socialism. It stops industry flight. You didn't see the soviet factories getting moved to china.

Why would China want them?

 

[GOPerfect]

I can only hope, wish and pray that all of the Demoncrats would finally and loudly claim that they fully embrace Socialism.

The only time that Socialism worked well was....

Not really sure of the answer.

 

[Blimey]

Democrats are more positive about socialism than capitalism, new Gallup poll says

Democrats view socialism more positively than capitalism, according to a new Gallup poll...Forty-seven percent of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic now view capitalism positively, down from 56 percent in 2016. Those with a positive view of socialism remained somewhat steady at 57 percent, down a point from 58 percent two years ago.

 

[Phazer]

Democrats are more positive about socialism than capitalism, new Gallup poll says

TRANSLATION: Democrats are more ignorant of history than ever before.