Rethin
.38 Special
What happened over in NYFirearms that caused everyone to migrate here?
Did I miss something?
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Cleck
.308 Win
Canadian gun-grabbing Nazi's. They were terrible. Leaving nothing but crying children and breakfast ham in their wake, it was awful. Glad you made it out alive.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
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HIghlander
.223 Rem
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Celt
.338 Win Mag
Glad you got the message man.. i thought i put it in the pm over there, but the owner of nyf sold the forum. A canadian company with anti gun connections bought it, and many other forums of all sorts.
Rethin
.38 Special
I got your PM. I just wasn't sure what happened to cause such a shift. Was there an event that precipitated this all? I knew about the sale, I just didn't think it was a big deal.
Whatever, I'll come here if this is where the conversations are.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
What made it a big deal was when it was made known that the new owners are connected to the Toronto Star which is known for its anti gun point of view. And they work to increase gun control. Even wrote an article that America needs to do away with the 2nd Amendment.
So, the new owners bought the old forum as a way to make money, and if they make money then that will make its way to their anti-gun affiliates. And nobody wants to help contribute to our own demise.
So, the new owners bought the old forum as a way to make money, and if they make money then that will make its way to their anti-gun affiliates. And nobody wants to help contribute to our own demise.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Welcome.
Welcome to the club
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This thread is one year and two weeks old!
I will take the blame though. LMAO.
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TopShot
.45 acp
I asked Phazer this same question in a conversation and he ignored me like I was the enemy.
I even quoted some of his treads from the other forum so that he would recognize me.
I don't know what he was afraid of, It made no sense.
I even quoted some of his treads from the other forum so that he would recognize me.
I don't know what he was afraid of, It made no sense.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
Original owner sold the old forum to some Canadian company who's actually anti-gun. There was some fuckery behind the scenes that made some long time mods leave and make this forum. Can't remember all the details but that's the 50k foot view.
TopShot
.45 acp
It doesn't make any sense.
If he was anti-gun why didn't he just shut it down.
If he was anti-gun why didn't he just shut it down.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
It's a company and they're trying to make money. Gun owners are way too paranoid to trust money is the only motivation. Granted, they haven't forcefully shut down any of the many, many outdoor activity related forums that they've purchased. But there were other issues relating to the running of the forum behind the scenes - probably a typical 'small company forced into corporate methodology' problem.
VerticalScope is the new owner. Torstar owns majority in VerticalScope and Torstar also runs the left leaning news paper The Toronto Star. VerticalScope went on a buying spree of gun and outdoor forums a year or two ago and it spooked a lot of people in these right leaning forums.
VerticalScope is the new owner. Torstar owns majority in VerticalScope and Torstar also runs the left leaning news paper The Toronto Star. VerticalScope went on a buying spree of gun and outdoor forums a year or two ago and it spooked a lot of people in these right leaning forums.
@TopShot (and whomever else)
I really don't want to get into it all and explain everything again; mostly because we've tried to distance ourselves from that other place and not acknowledge it at all.
Let me just say this. As I was the last really active Admin of the 'other place' at the time, I don't think it's unfair for me to say that in the last couple of years leading up to the sale of the place that no one championed, defended, and put as much work into that place as I did. Former 'other place' moderator NirvanaFan, also one of the few last former staff who really cared, is now an Admin/Owner here.
That we jumped ship, because we couldn't morally support it anymore.. that should tell you a lot right there. The new owners were a big part of it, but not all of it. We came here to build a firearms forum that people can trust instead, because we believe NY gun owners need and deserve that.
I really don't want to get into it all and explain everything again; mostly because we've tried to distance ourselves from that other place and not acknowledge it at all.
Let me just say this. As I was the last really active Admin of the 'other place' at the time, I don't think it's unfair for me to say that in the last couple of years leading up to the sale of the place that no one championed, defended, and put as much work into that place as I did. Former 'other place' moderator NirvanaFan, also one of the few last former staff who really cared, is now an Admin/Owner here.
That we jumped ship, because we couldn't morally support it anymore.. that should tell you a lot right there. The new owners were a big part of it, but not all of it. We came here to build a firearms forum that people can trust instead, because we believe NY gun owners need and deserve that.
I was on more than one forum bought out by these people, and the institution of certain "forum" rules, along with the knowledge of what the corporate ideology was of the parent company which purchased these forums indeed created an environment of confusion for the users.
Maybe some don't think it's a big deal, but there could be nothing other than a sinister intent. When you are outwardly against something, but then decide to sleep with the enemy, it's not because you've seen the light and chose to amend your ways! There was only malice and nefarious design... Doesn't matter what they wanted, maybe just statistical data to argument certain projects, or as much as identifying gun owners and advocates through IP sourcing? Both entirely realistic... And although I'm no Tin-Foil hat type, there was just too much "WTF" to support their agenda by ignoring the fact of who the owners were.
In addition, from the fringe, I was not too happy to learn how the deal went down regarding the site owner and moderators there, and coupled with the amount of bitches that began to pop up over there, combined to make it an easy choice to leave. I had already limited my visiting that site before all the exodus began, and was overjoyed when I learned this forum was created.
All in all, it seems such a long time ago, not sure why the question (OP) would be asked now, as its as relevant as why the tree fell in my back yard during "Sandy"... ie, storms come and go, and we little remember the cause or aftermath, only that it was a storm!
Have a nice day!
Edit... Duh! Just seen the dates, lol
Maybe some don't think it's a big deal, but there could be nothing other than a sinister intent. When you are outwardly against something, but then decide to sleep with the enemy, it's not because you've seen the light and chose to amend your ways! There was only malice and nefarious design... Doesn't matter what they wanted, maybe just statistical data to argument certain projects, or as much as identifying gun owners and advocates through IP sourcing? Both entirely realistic... And although I'm no Tin-Foil hat type, there was just too much "WTF" to support their agenda by ignoring the fact of who the owners were.
In addition, from the fringe, I was not too happy to learn how the deal went down regarding the site owner and moderators there, and coupled with the amount of bitches that began to pop up over there, combined to make it an easy choice to leave. I had already limited my visiting that site before all the exodus began, and was overjoyed when I learned this forum was created.
All in all, it seems such a long time ago, not sure why the question (OP) would be asked now, as its as relevant as why the tree fell in my back yard during "Sandy"... ie, storms come and go, and we little remember the cause or aftermath, only that it was a storm!
Have a nice day!
Edit... Duh! Just seen the dates, lol
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
The motivations for the split were valid and not malicious. I think addressing them, even more than a year later, is better than letting uncertainty fester and likely become doubt and mistrust.
Indeed, and I should have closed this; at least after my post answering the question .. well, sort of answering it anyway. I'd intended to close it , but was getting off to bed and forgot.
A lot of people (almost all the active users at the time) were present for the first refugee wave here, but there were also a lot of people who weren't there to see why. And it's been covered up somewhat since over there. For example, my big resignation and goodbye post to everyone there was deleted at some point. It was not at all negative to that place, and in no way encouraged anyone to leave , but it did have some of how I felt and my explanations for my stepping down from Admin. Apparently they felt that was inappropriate content, even after my years of 'service'.. those bitches..hehe
I'm getting off track here.
I do get that even though we want all the distance we can get from that place, there are going to be people still wanting to know what happened and those people maybe deserve an explanation; both for them and for us simply to be the ones who aren't trying to cover things up. I agree largely with both of you who posted after my post overall, and appreciate the intended sentiments, but I guess a year old zombie introduction thread maybe isn't the best place to talk it over though.
A lot of people (almost all the active users at the time) were present for the first refugee wave here, but there were also a lot of people who weren't there to see why. And it's been covered up somewhat since over there. For example, my big resignation and goodbye post to everyone there was deleted at some point. It was not at all negative to that place, and in no way encouraged anyone to leave , but it did have some of how I felt and my explanations for my stepping down from Admin. Apparently they felt that was inappropriate content, even after my years of 'service'.. those bitches..hehe
I'm getting off track here.
I do get that even though we want all the distance we can get from that place, there are going to be people still wanting to know what happened and those people maybe deserve an explanation; both for them and for us simply to be the ones who aren't trying to cover things up. I agree largely with both of you who posted after my post overall, and appreciate the intended sentiments, but I guess a year old zombie introduction thread maybe isn't the best place to talk it over though.
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