Doing a "Nobody Hunts with an Ak47" project

[Edwardteach72]

So years ago right after the unSafe Act passed I snagged up a Saiga 7.62x39, I also ordered one if the conversion kits from Carolina Shooter (or what ever the name is) because I was young an dumb and thought maybe this bull shit law will get tossed out.

Well since that's not happening and will all these new gun control debates I always see (with a few of my "friends" and subsequently their friends who jump jn) the argument "I know hunters and all of them say Ar15s or AK47 are not used for hunting" "or I have yet to meet someone who hunts with an AK47, and I keep trying to find them"

Well fuck all that noise I see there are now stupid options for "featureless AKs" so I am wanting to turn my Saiga into my new deer gun.

I've tried the spur grip they are terrible and nope. But the other two options I see are now Thordson is making their ugly stocks for AKs at about $140


Or a new York business is making something similar but not as "advanced" for about $60


I'm leaning towards the second option because well it's an AK, but part of me wants the thordson, so idk, (with the second option I would order the part thordson sells to fill in the rear trunion)

 

[Edwardteach72]

Oh yea and so pros and cons of each

Thordson
Pros: adjustable length of pull, and cheek weld

Reputable company with many many stocks in use

I can just order online like a normal transaction

Cons: expensive

Only counts as one 922r part (vs stock and grip being two)

NYLAK stick
Pros: price

It works

Giving a NY gun store business


Cons: fixed length (but its Warsaw length, which works for me so that's a wash)

Cheek weld isn't adjustable (could be an easy fix if I needed a higher cheek weld, not an issue if the height is just right)

I actually have to call their shop during business hours and order over the phone or drive an hour to the shop to buy

Only counts as one 922r part (vs stock and grip being two)

 

[Marine Cpl]

Can you turn it back to a regular Sporter? Ergonomically it's the better option and it doesn't look gimped looks wise.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Can you turn it back to a regular Sporter? Ergonomically it's the better option and it doesn't look gimped looks wise.

I hate the sporter set up and saiga mags are super expensive, but thanks to 922r setting it up to take actual ak mags would mean it needs to meet 922r standards so converted.

Also the way the safety is set up for the saiga sporter is not great at all, and the reverse bulpup style triggers are horrible

 

[Runner99]

Monstrumman grip or fin grip + fixed stock?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Monstrumman grip or fin grip + fixed stock?

Not a fan of something I can't get an actual full grip around like those

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

If they allowed rifle where I hunt, I'd be using a 6.5 Grendel.

 

[1075tech]

If they allowed rifle where I hunt, I'd be using a 6.5 Grendel.

Yep.

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[Marine Cpl]

I hate the sporter set up and saiga mags are super expensive, but thanks to 922r setting it up to take actual ak mags would mean it needs to meet 922r standards so converted.

Also the way the safety is set up for the saiga sporter is not great at all, and the reverse bulpup style triggers are horrible

If it were me, I'd bite the bullet and go back to stock. Whatever minor gripes I may have had do not trump a gimped grip and stock. We are stuck with 10 round magazines. A one time purchase of the magazines you need although more expensive is worth it unless you have to have those 30's. In that case, keep the real AK magazines and go 922 legit.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Yep.

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So how many shots did you use for each one? 10 like the libs think?

 

[1075tech]

So how many shots did you use for each one? 10 like the libs think?

Nobody needs that many boolits for hunting.

One each. Grendel gets it done.

My apologies to OP. I know this is an AK thread, but I do use an AR for hunting.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Nobody needs that many boolits for hunting.

One each. Grendel gets it done.

My apologies to OP. I know this is an AK thread, but I do use an AR for hunting.

Precisely. So I guess everyone hunting with an AR style rifle doesn't unload a box of shells at the animal.

 

[groovy mike]

I killed my first whitetail buck with an AK. Thanks to the so called SAFE ACT, it is now NO legal way that I can own that rifle in NY state

 

[Edwardteach72]

Nobody needs that many boolits for hunting.

One each. Grendel gets it done.

My apologies to OP. I know this is an AK thread, but I do use an AR for hunting.

No apology needed. I have an AR in 300 blackout (no gas hole or what not so it's a "bolt action" gun but I'm planning to pin the mag eventually and have it look all scarry) and do the same thing with and be like oh what do you mean no one uses these commonly used guns for hunting

 

[HEX]

Is your Saiga already fully converted so now you have to use some AKM clone solution.. or are you planning on doing the conversion and then turning it into an NY legal monstrosity ?

I'm not a big fan of the standard saiga config any more than I am any other stock of it's kind, particularly because I have a legit health/injury thing that makes anything beyond a a pistol grip angle very awkward and painful, but it would seem a huge exercise in pointlessness to do the work of moving the fire control group , refinishing , dealing with 922r, and all that a saiga conversion entails, to have just another stupid grip that isn't any better (and possibly worse in some ways).

 

[Edwardteach72]

Is your Saiga already fully converted so now you have to use some AKM clone solution.. or are you planning on doing the conversion and then turning it into an NY legal monstrosity ?

I'm not a big fan of the standard saiga config any more than I am any other stock of it's kind, particularly because I have a legit health/injury thing that makes anything beyond a a pistol grip angle very awkward and painful, but it would seem a huge exercise in pointlessness to do the work of moving the fire control group , refinishing , dealing with 922r, and all that a saiga conversion entails, to have just another stupid grip that isn't any better (and possibly worse in some ways).

The conversion is extremely easy, and would take all of maybe 20-30 min. And again saiga triggers are horrible thanks to the reverse bullpup type triggers, vs say one the ALG or even tapco triggers.

And as for the 922r that's not difficult either, trigger is 5 parts, us magazine is 3, front handgrips are 2 (I believe) stock is 1 and pistol grip would be 1, since those two are now combined, I just need to change out say the gas tube or something with a US part

 

[HEX]

The conversion is extremely easy, and would take all of maybe 20-30 min. And again saiga triggers are horrible thanks to the reverse bullpup type triggers, vs say one the ALG or even tapco triggers.
And as for the 922r that's not difficult either, trigger is 5 parts, us magazine is 3, front handgrips are 2 (I believe) stock is 1 and pistol grip would be 1, since those two are now combined, I just need to change out say the gas tube or something with a US part

Yes.. I've done many Saiga conversions for people in the Pre-SAFE days. If you're someone accustomed to gun work it's not that hard, that's true. The bullet guide installation, if you're converting to AK mags, is slightly more advanced; in that it requires drilling and tapping. I'd probably suggest someone having at least some practice doing that rather than have a first try be on the gun itself, because it has to be placed and done right the first time (or you'll have a big problem). Getting the magazine release to function properly with the AK mags can be a huge pain in the butt, and oddly seems to vary by individual rifle to some degree. The last thing is that when you remove the trigger guard plate you're going to have a big open area of exposed and completely unfinished/unprotected metal. You've got to do something about that (and there are obviously many options).

 

[HEX]

On top of that. If you can do the most basic trigger work , you can easily turn the Saiga stock trigger into the same or better than a Tapco G2 .. for free.

 

[libertysnake]

On top of that. If you can do the most basic trigger work , you can easily turn the Saiga stock trigger into the same or better than a Tapco G2 .. for free.

I've had pretty good success with the AKT-EL in my AKMs. Probably would fit the saiga, but does require some custom fitting and occasionally filing to get it just right.

 

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