Dragged off a bus for not wearing a mask. Legal?

[Calculon]

One thing is for sure - you never win a physical altercation with the police. Right or wrong once they put their hands on you your POV is no longer of interest to them and they will impose their will on you.

What he should have done is fussed about his inability to find/afford a mask and that this was discrimination. Septa would be handing out masks within days.

 

[Marine Cpl]

One thing is for sure - you never win a physical altercation with the police. Right or wrong once they put their hands on you your POV is no longer of interest to them and they will impose their will on you.

What he should have done is fussed about his inability to find/afford a mask and that this was discrimination. Septa would be handing out masks within days.

I get making a stand. But like you said, you cannot win once the point of no return happens. The point where it’s either you do so under protest or you go to jail. The last thing you want to do is go to jail now when your family needs you most.

The problem with most people is that they can’t see one step ahead of them. They’ll shoot themselves in the foot to spite their face. They don’t see the big picture and in the end, they’ll have even more freedom taken away from them.

To those that disagree, flame on.

 

[nortatoga]

You can choose the easy way or you can choose the hard way! He chose the hard way!!!

 

[GOPerfect]

The police will win every time. Right or wrong, as soon as a "fight" is started, you lose and they win.

Someone mentioned about why it took so many officers. It did NOT take that many. That many showed up to outdo the numbers. Most people are less willing to put up a struggle when so many are there.

My guess is that he was not taken of the bus by force because he was not wearing a mask; he was taken off because he did not abey the rules and instructions of the driver.

 

[holdover]

For safty reasons , instead of shaking hands we will greet each other by raising our right hand

 

[holdover]

You can choose the easy way or you can choose the hard way! He chose the hard way!!!

The hard way is standing up for yourself. The easy way is wear a burka walk six feet behind people, do what your told and stay in the house.

 

[Darth]

“He wasn’t affected because he had a gun. He was arrested because he broke the rules.”

Comply or die.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Comply or die.

That’s the jist of it whether right or wrong. It’s up to you to be smart about it. Die or comply and live another day to fight.

 

[Darth]

That’s the jist of it whether right or wrong. It’s up to you to be smart about it. Die or comply and live another day to fight.

That’s not always true, thankfully.

Its just when it’s not the defenders of the faith just paint the “perp” as the bad guy and people believe it unfortunately.

 

[nortatoga]

The hard way is standing up for yourself. The easy way is wear a burka walk six feet behind people, do what your told and stay in the house.

He did that how it work out for him?

 

[Darth]

Never a missed opportunity to cheer for the totalitarian regime.

 

[GOPerfect]

On/off topic....

During the football season, I work at a local Pro ball stadium. Each and every game, there are multiple fans that get out of control.

We approach, introduce ourselves and explain to the fan why we are in their area of concern.

We explain, in very simple terms that they are breaking the rules of the stadium. We usually tell them if they alter their behavior, they can stay and enjoy the rest of the game.

Most thank us for explanation, alter said behavior and they remain at the game. Occasionally, we have that fan that says something like, "what are you going to do if I don't stop (fill in the blank)?", then they decide to take it up a notch. They find out really quick, that they are on the losing end of things.

Sure, the stadium is County property, but there are rules. Follow the rules or leave. If the individual decides to take it to the next level, they alwasy lose. It really is that easy.

 

[dwa12479]

On/off topic....

During the football season, I work at a local Pro ball stadium. Each and every game, there are multiple fans that get out of control.

We approach, introduce ourselves and explain to the fan why we are in their area of concern.

We explain, in very simple terms that they are breaking the rules of the stadium. We usually tell them if they alter their behavior, they can stay and enjoy the rest of the game.

Most thank us for explanation, alter said behavior and they remain at the game. Occasionally, we have that fan that says something like, "what are you going to do if I don't stop (fill in the blank)?", then they decide to take it up a notch. They find out really quick, that they are on the losing end of things.

Sure, the stadium is County property, but there are rules. Follow the rules or leave. If the individual decides to take it to the next level, they alwasy lose. It really is that easy.

Nazi! He paid for his ticket at a County owned stadium. He should be able to piss and shit all over the place in a drunken stupor if he pleases. Hes a taxpayer goddammit! Stop trampling people's rights you Jackbooted thug!

/sarcasm.

 

[GOPerfect]

Nazi! He paid for his ticket at a County owned stadium. He should be able to piss and shit all over the place in a drunken stupor if he pleases. Hes a taxpayer goddammit!

/sarcasm.

This is exactly what I understand many members here think.

 

[Darth]

Pretty much.

Far better than the alternative.

 

[Grimscale]

Die or comply and live another day to comply again.

Sooner or later you have to stand up for your Rights.

So far, all I'm hearing, is "bow down to your oppressors, for you cannot win."

That mentality gets you shoved into box cars and given waterless showers.

 

[nortatoga]

Sooner or later you have to stand up for your Rights.

So far, all I'm hearing, is "bow down to your oppressors, for you cannot win."

That mentality gets you shoved into box cars and given waterless showers.

And just what right of his was violated ? I have my Pocket Constitution/ BOR's handy!

 

[holdover]

If they paint two yellow lines down the street and they make you walk inside them , people like you will do that because ""its the rules , what laws are they breaking??"" Just do what your told so you wont get in any trouble.

 

[holdover]

On/off topic....

During the football season, I work at a local Pro ball stadium. Each and every game, there are multiple fans that get out of control.

"" get out of control."" is the key operating phrase. The guy was sitting on a bus .

 

[Marine Cpl]

"" get out of control."" is the key operating phrase. The guy was sitting on a bus .

Against the SEPTA transit rules at the time. He could have been drinking Jack Daniels too while just sitting there and the response would have been the same.

 

[GOPerfect]

"" get out of control."" is the key operating phrase. The guy was sitting on a bus .

But, and I am not sticking up for the police, nor am I downing on this dude; he decided to fight with the police. A fight that could have caused him charges. Again, I do not believe any of three were in the right, the driver, the passenger or the police. I think all were right and all were wrong at the same time.

 

[holdover]

Against the SEPTA transit rules at the time. He could have been drinking Jack Daniels too while just sitting there and the response would have been the same.

he wasnt drinking Jack Daniels, he was sitting on a train.

Will your trains here, dont forget your mask.

 

[Marine Cpl]

he wasnt drinking Jack Daniels, he was sitting on a train.

Will your trains here, dont forget your mask.

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He was violating the rules at the time of not wearing a mask while on the bus just as if he would have had an open container on the bus. Both offenses are subject to ejection.

Anyway, when are you coming down here? Some investigative journalist you are?

 

[nortatoga]

If they paint two yellow lines down the street and they make you walk inside them , people like you will do that because ""its the rules , what laws are they breaking??"" Just do what your told so you wont get in any trouble.

Maybe you should reread your signature, Just saying.

 

[holdover]

He was violating the rules at the time of not wearing a mask while on the bus just as if he would have had an open container on the bus. Both offenses are subject to ejection.

Anyway, when are you coming down here? Some investigative journalist you are?

One day, it may occur to you that rules are not laws. If you break a rule at work do the police wrestle you to the ground ? I guess that would be ok with you .

I told you, when you send me the money.

 

[holdover]

Maybe you should reread your signature, Just saying.

I think you should re read it . It mentions nothing about arbitrary rules

 

[nortatoga]

I think you should re read it . It mentions nothing about arbitrary rules

Just as a no firearms sign is a arbitrary rule (no force of law) you refuse to leave you are trespassing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

One day, it may occur to you that rules are not laws. If you break a rule at work do the police wrestle you to the ground ? I guess that would be ok with you .

I told you, when you send me the money.

If you break a rule at work and the owner tells you to leave and you refuse to do so, that’s exactly what the police will do to you. Come on dude. I get we are doing a tit for tat with each other but don’t act ignorant. I say act because I know you aren’t.

And I’m not sending you shit. You are the one that doesn’t believe what’s happening. Not me. You don’t need to prove anything to me. I know what’s going on. You have to prove it to yourself so the monetary expenses is on you.

If it were the other way around, then you would have a point. But you know that too and are acting ignorant on that as well.

 

[holdover]

No that's not whats going to happen. When I was union roofer , I was told I could not smoke on school property ,On the roof, during summer vacation. My foreman was a militant anti smoker . So when he told me to put the cigarette out because I was breaking the law, I told him to call the cops , Ill wait . Guess who never showed up? You think cops don't have better things to do than enforce nonsense rules ? Anyways agree or not, if you don't stand up for what you believe in , what kind of man are you? All your weapons are NYS compliant too, Ill bet. The other day at the store a guy told me I had to stand 6 feet away , I told him he better move if it bothered him, I was on camera , you know what happened? Nothing Ok?. So fuck you, and fuck your rules . Im not hiding from the boogy man . and Im not going to the fucking store in MOP level 4. Im not wearing a mask , im not social distancing Im not standing 6 feet behind people you are afraid of their shadows. Grow the fuck up already. Im not laying down for any of this shit. This fucking plague has been here two months and I haven't seen the thousands of dead they said it kill. 2 months!! Nothing.


And Im not going to spend my time and money either . Its not like its around the corner,give me a break man.

 

[holdover]

Just as a no firearms sign is a arbitrary rule (no force of law) you refuse to leave you are trespassing.

so you go along with every fucking sign you read? Your going to go drive back home and come back? grow a nutsack man If you think your in danger by all means lock yourself in the fucking basement and dont come out till next winter. But dont tell me what the fuck to do . OK? you deal with it. If I die from it then its on my own head fair enough? leave me the fuck alone.