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Fake Chemical Attack Unraveled
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BDinPutnam
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So why the fear of letting free and open elections take place and not forbidding Nalavny from running? If you really have an 80% approval rating what's the fear? See also: Cuba. Egypt. China. Insert totalitarian state here.
Sorry if I forgot to mention Nemtsov by name- you remember him, right? The other potential challenger to Putin, who was assassinated on a bridge by "foreigners", one of whom was in his apartment at the time of the shooting?
This thread is discouraging. I have a lot of respect for you guys generally but this Russian derangement really makes no sense. We talk a lot on this site about rights and liberty. Mostly the 2nd of course, but the others as well. Last I checked I don't need a government permit to protest, journalists don't get jailed or assasinated in the streets, lawyers don't get thrown out of windows, and opposition candidates aren't barred from running, or killed in the streets.
If every conspiracy theory about our government was reported as real events, how would we look? We are doing this to Russia. Nemtsov was shot by a Chechen radical. Five Chechens were tried and convicted in Russian court. It was an open trial, the evidence and testimonies were never challenged by the western media. Navalny was convicted of a crime, Russian laws prevent him from running. Neither one had any chance of beating Putin in the elections. I am not saying that Russia's internal politics is not without shenanigans, but neither is ours. The reality is Putin is very popular in Russia. He won because people like him, not because they are scared to vote against him or because the results were rigged. You are stuck on old stereotypes. Times change.
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Celt
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Foreign policy, and world politics is admittedy a very weak point for me. Im open to learning and am not afraid of being better informed and changing my opinion.
From what i have read/learned i actually admire Putin for his patriotism and his balls, but i despise tyranical leaders and anything related to communism, socialism, etc...
I firmly believe the USA is the greatest country with the best system of governance in existence today or ever. However, that doesnt mean i dont think we might pull some dirty moves on the world stage to strengthen our position. And there are alot of questionable things that go on. BUT, you know damn well everyone else is playing the same game and we are playing to win.
From what i have read/learned i actually admire Putin for his patriotism and his balls, but i despise tyranical leaders and anything related to communism, socialism, etc...
I firmly believe the USA is the greatest country with the best system of governance in existence today or ever. However, that doesnt mean i dont think we might pull some dirty moves on the world stage to strengthen our position. And there are alot of questionable things that go on. BUT, you know damn well everyone else is playing the same game and we are playing to win.
Robin
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There is plenty of evidence that weighs in on the side of the event actually happening. But people believe what they will. There is no evidence that we actually bombed them.
Robin
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holdover
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My issue is that attacking civilians for no possible gain when the US announces that it's leaving. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None. They invited the US back in right after they announced they were pulling out. Then we attack them before an investigation is ever launched.
Further more we launched an attack on enemy's of Isis and not Isis. Why are we not using those 105 missles to attack them?
So when the Syrians and Russians say the attack was bogus, I have to give them some credit
Both governments lie. I think that's pretty well uncontested .based on what we know, I feel the Russians are closer to the truth than the Americans. The truth is independent from governments
Further more we launched an attack on enemy's of Isis and not Isis. Why are we not using those 105 missles to attack them?
So when the Syrians and Russians say the attack was bogus, I have to give them some credit
Both governments lie. I think that's pretty well uncontested .based on what we know, I feel the Russians are closer to the truth than the Americans. The truth is independent from governments
Each nation chooses its own system of government. What works for us will not work for others. It didn't work at all in the Middle East and it didn't work well in Russia during 1990's. It's normal for us to believe we are the greatest country in the world. An average Russian or Swed or Israeli has the same beliefs about his country, but they don't send troops or launch missiles half way around the world to prove it. We declare our supremacy over others and using that to justify naked aggression. Putin can explain his foreign policy, we can't. At least not openly. Russia pushes for International debate, we are dumbing down our populace with fairy-tales about evil dictators who kill their own people.
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Mr. terzmo
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"Why Russians love Putin? "
I'd love him also with a gun pointed at the back of my head...and threats of my Family's execution.
I suggest people who "love" the guy....pack up and join him....see how life is in the good ole Russia !!
I'd love him also with a gun pointed at the back of my head...and threats of my Family's execution.
I suggest people who "love" the guy....pack up and join him....see how life is in the good ole Russia !!
I am not Russian and I was referring to citizens of Russian Federation who voted in Russian elections, not myself or anyone here.
We are playing the same geopolitical game we have been playing for 40 years. Arming and organizing militant Islamists. 9/11 was just a collateral damage, it didn't change our foreign policy. ....... and agencies who should have been blamed for 9/11 received more power with the passage of Patriot act.
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reinhardt
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Yo
How does your question relate to the statement? Splain Lucy, splain.
How did your statement relate to my point? Everyone knows RT is owned by Russian state, but what did it have to do with my point.
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Burzum
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"waging aggressive and unprovoked war" is a war crime, or at least it was a charge in the Nuremberg trial, so before a country attacks a sovereign country they sure as hell better have REAL proof.
holdover
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Its not about the Russians, Its about our government doing the right thing. If you refuse to recognize that the government and the main stream media is lying to us on a daily basis your behind the power curve.
Here's a CNN reporter who doesn't know WTF she is talking about , tell Americans who don't know a thing about chemical weapons , that chemical weapons were used. Now some of you guys may remember that nerve agents have no smell and are extremely deadly if inhaled or even handled. Shit like this is why I question everything the government tells me. There is no credibility with CNN or the FBI .
I know some of you guys still remember your NBC training, This is how not to look for NBC weapons.
Here's a CNN reporter who doesn't know WTF she is talking about , tell Americans who don't know a thing about chemical weapons , that chemical weapons were used. Now some of you guys may remember that nerve agents have no smell and are extremely deadly if inhaled or even handled. Shit like this is why I question everything the government tells me. There is no credibility with CNN or the FBI .
I know some of you guys still remember your NBC training, This is how not to look for NBC weapons.
Is it a bad thing that I do not care if these people get gassed by their government? Cause I do not.
If it is going to cost lives or dollars from the United States, I want no part of this.
Gas away, soon, he will have no people to control.
If it is going to cost lives or dollars from the United States, I want no part of this.
Gas away, soon, he will have no people to control.
holdover
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I agree with you. But if they are going to use this as a pretext for another war lasting decades For reasons that are unclear at best , we need to pay attention to whats happening. We certainly didn't spend over 100 million dollars in cruise missiles because of human rights violations . They can sell that bullshit to the lib's , who seem to be all for saving the Syrians from tyranny with somebody else's lives.
If we go to war, I want it to be in the defense of the US .not Syrians or Iraqis or Kurds. They the cards fall where they may , let them sort it out. Its not our fight.
If we go to war, I want it to be in the defense of the US .not Syrians or Iraqis or Kurds. They the cards fall where they may , let them sort it out. Its not our fight.
BDinPutnam
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Chlorine gas =/= a nerve agent.
But you knew that.
But you knew that.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
its CNN .. and a shit ton of RUSH
lol .. .. what did that gas smell like in the gas chambers ??
Cavalry
.308 Win
While the popular nerve agents are odorless, not all are odorless. I do agree with you, whatever this reporter is sniffing is not a nerve agent and that's a really poor way to detect it.
holdover
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Yes ,but supposedly sarin was used also. Go figure.
holdover
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its CNN .. and a shit ton of RUSH
Smelled like sulfer. But a nerve agent was supposedly used also. You don't want to test for nerve agents by handling and smelling things, that can ruin your weekend.
Robin
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Smelled like clorox to me.
Robin
Robin
Robin
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Well, that place certainly has been turned into a shit hole. They can thank Obama for that.
Robin
Witness after witness seen in the fake chemical attack video testify at the briefing held at OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) in Hague, Netherlands:
https://on.rt.com/9448
https://on.rt.com/9448
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