Fatal stabbing in Hamburg/ McKinley mall

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Criticalt said:
Only if they were coming after me would I stop them.
Otherwise, youre on your own.
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I know its a risk to get involved in problems that arent mine, but ill be damned if Im gonna stand there and watch a women get stabbed to death knowing i might have been able to help but didnt.
Also a good reason to carry medical kit
 
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speedkills27 said:
I know its a risk to get involved in problems that arent mine, but ill be damned if Im gonna stand there and watch a women get stabbed to death knowing i might have been able to help but didnt.
Also a good reason to carry medical kit
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Nope, not a chance.
Especially in a domestic dispute.
If the woman doesnt die, she could turn on you and testify that you killed her lovely spouse who was having a bad day. Or, you find out the woman attacked the guy with a knife and the guy disarmed her and was defending himself.

I used to think the way you do but after all the recent unscrupulous and unconstitutional crap going around wirh guns and the SJW mentality, I will protect myself and my loved ones.
One caveat.....if a child is being kidnapped or killed, I will step in.
 
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Criticalt said:
Nope, not a chance.
Especially in a domestic dispute.
If the woman doesnt die, she could turn on you and testify that you killed her lovely spouse who was having a bad day. Or, you find out the woman attacked the guy with a knife and the guy disarmed her and was defending himself.

I used to think the way you do but after all the recent unscrupulous and unconstitutional crap going around wirh guns and the SJW mentality, I will protect myself and my loved ones.
One caveat.....if a child is being kidnapped or killed, I will step in.
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I've heard that cops hate domestic abuse calls the most, since it is common for the abused spouse to join up with the abuser and threaten the cop.

As you pointed out the circumstances may not be what they initially appear. In this day and age with all the possible negative legal repercussions being a good samaritan is one hell of a risk.
 
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In all likelihood, by the time you reacted, unholstered, and safely got sights on the guy, the stabbing would be over and at that point you'd just be playing cop and that's not our job. Be a good witness who used discretion.
 
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Criticalt said:
Nope, not a chance.
Especially in a domestic dispute.
If the woman doesnt die, she could turn on you and testify that you killed her lovely spouse who was having a bad day. Or, you find out the woman attacked the guy with a knife and the guy disarmed her and was defending himself.

I used to think the way you do but after all the recent unscrupulous and unconstitutional crap going around wirh guns and the SJW mentality, I will protect myself and my loved ones.
One caveat.....if a child is being kidnapped or killed, I will step in.
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You can't have it both ways.
 
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Carlos Hathcock said:
Well you said you can't risk deciphering a domestic situation but a child kidnapping situation is cut and dry?
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Not exactly.
With an adult I will not intervene under any circumstance.
Even if I can clearly ascertain whats going on, youre on your own.
In most domestic situations the victim knew who they were dealing with and chose to be around them. If the abuser stalked the victim down at the mall, well, im sorry about her life choices.
As for kids, they are 100% innocent 100% of the time.
Its pretty easy to figure out who the aggressor is when a 6 year old is being stabbed. Not as simple but it should be pretty easy to figure out the difference between a guardian dragging a kid away and a stranger.
Id think most child abductions are done without the use of a weapon. In that case the easy choice is to choke the kidnapper out and call the cops.
Anyways, id rather risk my freedom helping a child than an adult.
The abused woman has the same opportunity as us to protect herself with a firearm, the kids dont.
 
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Criticalt said:
Not exactly.
With an adult I will not intervene under any circumstance.
Even if I can clearly ascertain whats going on, youre on your own.
In most domestic situations the victim knew who they were dealing with and chose to be around them. If the abuser stalked the victim down at the mall, well, im sorry about her life choices.
As for kids, they are 100% innocent 100% of the time.
Its pretty easy to figure out who the aggressor is when a 6 year old is being stabbed. Not as simple but it should be pretty easy to figure out the difference between a guardian dragging a kid away and a stranger.
Id think most child abductions are done without the use of a weapon. In that case the easy choice is to choke the kidnapper out and call the cops.
Anyways, id rather risk my freedom helping a child than an adult.
The abused woman has the same opportunity as us to protect herself with a firearm, the kids dont.
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I guess I don't want to talk about this anymore.
 
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Criticalt said:
Id think most child abductions are done without the use of a weapon. In that case the easy choice is to choke the kidnapper out and call the cops.
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And then you're the one being arrested for assault and attempted kidnapping for interfering with a parent trying to reclaim their wayward child who was just throwing a temper tantrum.

Nothing is cut-and-dried in this world.
 
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nothing is cut and dry is right.
I think it comes down to the information presented at the moment of the incident. The human brain is more powerful than a gun and stopping to assess the situation and make the most educated decision at the time is paramount. Back to the stabbing scenario, if I was to witness a man stabbing a women in a shopping mall would it matter if it was self defense or not? A verbal command to "stop and drop the knife!" would help to determine intent. I would think that reasonable person defending himself/herself with a knife would comply at the sight of a gun pointed at them and a man screaming at them. Damage done to the "victim" previous to me intervening is what it is, but at least no further damage is done. Maybe thats the difference between this women living or dying on a cold dirty shopping mall floor
 
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And then you're the one being arrested for assault and attempted kidnapping for interfering with a parent trying to reclaim their wayward child who was just throwing a temper tantrum.

Nothing is cut-and-dried in this world.
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Fine, no harm.
The parent should be thankful someone was looking out.
 
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