UpStateEd
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Maybe this was already posted...but looks like Tyron has a new home:
Felon sentenced to 46 months for possession of a bullet
Felon sentenced to 46 months for possession of a bullet
Felon sentenced to 46 months for possession of a bullet
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Just like the guy that was arrested in buffalo last night for drugs and explosives. He had gun powder. They showed it on the news. Not pipe bombs. Gun powder in its original cases.
Part of me has a problem with this. If someone has "done their time" for their crime I halfway think their constitutional rights should be re instated. Especially if it was a non violent felony That the individual has already served a punishment for.
They probably didn't have enough evidence to pursue the shooting so a deal was struck. He plead to the bullet and got the max sentence. Good outcome if that is the case. Anyone who shows a lifelong propensity towards criminal violence deserves whatever they get.
This is where I get jammed up. I think there is a difference in what type of felon should get their rights back.
We can all probably agree that not everyone in jail is guilty. There are crappy defense lawyers, unethical or overly assertive DA's, imperfect police work, lying witnesses, mistakes etc...
I don't think violent felons who are demonstrated to be a threat to society should get their rights back.
However i think there are plenty of non violent felons or maybe even violent reformed felons that should have their rights re instated.
Anyone can get rail roared by the system either by error, series of unfortunate coincidences, malice, corruption etc... I hate the idea of an innocent person or a non violent crimal losing their rights forever.
It seems unamerican to me that even though someone is punished and does the time and is hopefully reformed that they can no longer vote, own firearms etc... Its a very slippery slope.
UpStateEd
.45 acp
I look at it this way..if you are a bad guy (convict felon) and has/or is violating a firearm law affecting me (AKA law abiding citizen) and further reduces my 2nd amendment right...then lock them up and -yes- revoke their rights to possess firearms. It's these types of idiots that break the laws but WE GET SCREWED!
This guy deserves to go bye-bye and YES for one bullet! Where there' a bullet...I bet a gun is nearby.
This guy deserves to go bye-bye and YES for one bullet! Where there' a bullet...I bet a gun is nearby.
Im getting tired of people, like Obama, saying drug offenses are non violent.
MOST inner city murders are over drugs.
Drug cartels kill thousands every year.
Drug addicts assault and kill thousands of people a year to get drug money.
A few years ago in Chautauqua Co a guy shot and killed two guys over a weed deal....yes, weed!
Non violent, really??
MOST inner city murders are over drugs.
Drug cartels kill thousands every year.
Drug addicts assault and kill thousands of people a year to get drug money.
A few years ago in Chautauqua Co a guy shot and killed two guys over a weed deal....yes, weed!
Non violent, really??
Most drug offenses are non violent.
Killing and robbing and all that good stuff happens for all kinds of reasons.
Exact same thing happened during prohibition. We legalized alcohol again and crime plummeted.
Im all for legalizeing drugs. I dont care if someone wants to use drugs. If your drug use interferes with my life, like killing my family in an auto accident, or in a drug craze, then Ill deal with that.
The point is, drugs cause violence....period.
Because drugs are black market and expensive, criminals will do what it takes to aquire them.
Ive known many drug users, MOST can be driven yo violence BECAUSE of their drug use.
Would they be violent if meth was legal, maybe not, but its NOT legal, so they use violence to get what they want.
The fact is, these "non violent" drug offenders that Obama is setting free have a very, very high recidivism rate and will most likely be arrested again.
To say that drugs and violence do not go together is ridiculous, ive been around awhile.
So have drugs. And the preponderance of evidence says your antecedent is wrong.
As long as drugs are illegal, the violence connected to them is going nowhere.
Of the over 1000 "low level" drug offenders Obama has set free, MANY of them have gun charges, assault charges and other violent crimes in their past. However, because the the reason they are in prison THIS time is drugs, they are "non violent". Even though many have lengthy violent records previous to their most recent incarceration.
These arent drug users hes letting go, these are traffickers and dealers.
If they were all just users, id say get them out of jail and get them help. Mist of the people being set free are NOT simple addicts, which is what you Darth are talking about.
Even though the two people I know that killed someone both were addicts looking for drugs. Show their victims families your preponderance of evidence
Of the over 1000 "low level" drug offenders Obama has set free, MANY of them have gun charges, assault charges and other violent crimes in their past. However, because the the reason they are in prison THIS time is drugs, they are "non violent". Even though many have lengthy violent records previous to their most recent incarceration.
These arent drug users hes letting go, these are traffickers and dealers.
If they were all just users, id say get them out of jail and get them help. Mist of the people being set free are NOT simple addicts, which is what you Darth are talking about.
Even though the two people I know that killed someone both were addicts looking for drugs. Show their victims families your preponderance of evidence
If pot was legal again none of this would happen. It should be treated the same as alcohol.
Pot crime would be as rare as people being assaulted for a 24 pack
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spat
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If you can't trust them with a gun, then you can't trust them on the street.
Because anyone who walks free can always get a gun, quickly, no matter what law you pass.
I'll show anyone.
Because I'm talking facts, not emotion.
No different from the "Explain to the mothers of the Sandy Hook kids why you NEED an AR-15!" Sure. Any time at all.
So you say drugs have no connection to violence?
It has nothing to do with emotion when thousands of people die over drug deals and being under the influence of drugs.
Being illegal or not has zero to do with it. For now drugs are illegal and people are assaulted and killed daily over drugs. Now thats a fact.
Home invations, drug turf wars, strongarm robbery for drug money........happens every minute of every day.
And again, this has NOTHING to do with addicts, im talking about some of the guys Obama is setting free, hardcore dealers and traffickers. Threats and violence is how the operate, 100% of the time.
Of course Darth, your evidence will show that most drug arrests are users getting caught eith small amounts of drugs. They arent usually the violent ones. The dealers and traffickers must be violent or they cant do their jobs.
Of course Darth, your evidence will show that most drug arrests are users getting caught eith small amounts of drugs. They arent usually the violent ones. The dealers and traffickers must be violent or they cant do their jobs.
spat
.950 JDJ
Most of that is over money.
Doesn't happen over legal drugs like alcohol (or hasn't since they were legalized).
People are killed over money, cars, relationships, jewelry, political views, knowing too much about Hillary Clinton, race, sexuality, sex, you name it. When someone says "you can't have that", it drives people nuts.
You chose drugs because, as you started, you have an emotional connection. I get that. I'm looking at this objectively.
Money from drugs.
And yes, but becsuse drugs are NOT legal, the violence is there.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, continue the failed attempt to keep drugs illegal, or recognize the like alcohol prohibition the cure is worse than the disease ?
I didnt choose drugs, the guy having 13.5 grams of cocaine in his apartment chose drugs.
Of course people kill for many reasons and drugs is one of them.
Youve never heard of anyone bring killed over drugs? You need to get out more.
My point is that saying drugs are a non violent crime is ridiculous, hundreds of thousands of people have died directly because of drugs.
Like I said before, im all for legalizeing some drugs. But, THEY ARENT LEGAL NOW!!
So, saying drugs are a non violent crime doesnt hold water.
Sure many drug arrests are non violent addicts, but many more are for assault and murder DIRECTLY because of drugs.
And millions have went to prison because of the government telling them what is OK for them to put in their bodies.
You can't have the government make something illegal, have people get around that silliness, and then say "see, the thing that we banned made people violent!" That's literally what the Fast and Furious disaster did with our gun rights!
Marine Cpl
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Are people killing themselves in Chicago over ounces of marijuana in drug deals gone bad? Yes.
Are people killing themselves in Detroit over Turf Wars for selling marijuana on certain street corners? Yes.
Are people smuggling in marijuana in airplanes, boats, and cars to states like NY? Yes.
Is any of this happening in Colorado? No.
Is any of this happening even with hard drugs in Amsterdam? No.
Did violence occur during Prohibition for alcohol? Yes.
After Prohibition for alcohol? No.
Are people killing themselves in Detroit over Turf Wars for selling marijuana on certain street corners? Yes.
Are people smuggling in marijuana in airplanes, boats, and cars to states like NY? Yes.
Is any of this happening in Colorado? No.
Is any of this happening even with hard drugs in Amsterdam? No.
Did violence occur during Prohibition for alcohol? Yes.
After Prohibition for alcohol? No.
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Marine Cpl
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I changed some things from your post to make it my own.
All of me has a problem with this. If someone has "done their time" for their crime I think their constitutional rights should be reinstated. Even if it was a ANY felony that the individual has already served a punishment for and was released.