Old Jalopy
.45 acp
Part of the SAFE Act states transfers are not to exceed $10. It's actually written in the bill text. To my recollection it was never changed.
FFL Transfers- What happened to the inexpensive firearm transfers?
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It IS on the Ammunition Check, DL it the most common and preferred identification Dealers use to verify all the information on the 4473 matches and it's also the first question the System requires before proceeding: "Does the information on the identification match the 4473?"
BGC for the Gun DOES NOT cover the ammunition: I have seen persons pass the NICS check and be denied on the ammunition check. If a Dealer in NY let one cover both that's on him, but not the way the Law is written.
Elections have consequences, not vetting and putting effort into voting and running pro-2A candidates has gotten us where we're at now.
person to person eg: you want to sell your gun to your neighbor, both of you have to go to a FFL who will facilitate the transfer and collect the $10. for doing so PLUS (at least) the $9.00 they're charged for accessing the BGC System...The total amount is the discretion of the FFL/NY Licensed Dealer (you must be Registered with the NYSP and have an instant payment account attached to the Dealer Number)
Wasn't changed to the best of my knowledge, and the Fee was an afterthought that was never addressed in the legislation...The NYSP were supposed to Hire Staff, set up a Call Center, and facilitate the entire operation, but failed to impliment so they farmed it out to Tyler Technologies, and how much they receive for each check is undislosed.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
This is where I have problems. The LAW states the fee amount, it's pretty plain and right there. No gray area. The text of the actual bill is the law, not what law enforcement or an FFL decides is the law. Like a fixed mag per the bill, no place does it say it has to be permanent or epoxyed, but the enforcement decided to put their own spin on it. Doesn't make their interpretation legal.
Cattafly
.40 S&W
Yes, and the handling fee can be whatever a dealer wants it to be. There is no law against that.
It's done all the time, and Dealers aren't bloody likely to absorb that $9.00 charge against the $10. for the Personal Transfer.
When the Semi-Automatic Rifle Licenses was written into Law it duplicated the requirements in place for Handgun Licenses as SEPARATE Licenses (meaning everyone would have to apply and follow the CCIA requirements) but there was no Forms, Provisions, Guidelines, Requirements for Instructors available from the State, and for months there wasn't a way to buy a Semi-Auto Rifle, finally the NYSP and/or Judges decided to amend current and new Handgun Licenses...none of which was written into the law. You have to remember that the people writing these Laws are lobbyist/activists that supply it to their Representative(s) and are often written without input from Subject Matter Experts, and it's not just Guns either.
Not a 100% on the current, but when I did NYS Vehicle Inspections we had to buy "books" on Inspection Stickers at $5.00 each and could only charge $XX. for the Service...now when your Shop Rate is a hundred an hour, that fifteen or so Dollars doesn't even cover the time it takes to bring it inside the Shop and hook it to a Computer sold and mandated by the State.
Gun owners being the cheap bastards we are tend to forget that it cost a lot of money to be a Dealer and there isn't one, you're not going to get your shit....They'll spend a thousand on a Kimber at Auction, pay a buyers premium, and Sales Tax all without complaining, but get all uptight about paying the guy who has to receive it, book it in, fill out the State Forms (twice) review and transfer your information on the Federal Form, use his Computer and internet service to enter it all into a System that charged him $9. the second they logged-on, then have to wait (sometimes a month and multiple checks) to see if you're approved, then if it's a go (won't even begine to cover Denied/Delayed/18~20 year olds) enter the disposition into a Record Book that he has to keep and not only present on demand 24/7 buy keep so long as he's on business all for Ten Bucks....yea, fuck that!
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
So who don't you brake a law and tell them you decided it was OK and see how far you get. LOL
So maybe people should tell their boss they want an additional $200 a day on top of their pay, to cover gas to get to work, the cost of lunch and coffee, walking to and from the car and to and from break ateas.
I think this forum needs to pay me $100 each time I visit because it costs my money to have internet, a phone, and a computer. Not to mention the risk of tendinitis or carpel tunnel from typing. Same principle.
So maybe people should tell their boss they want an additional $200 a day on top of their pay, to cover gas to get to work, the cost of lunch and coffee, walking to and from the car and to and from break ateas.
I think this forum needs to pay me $100 each time I visit because it costs my money to have internet, a phone, and a computer. Not to mention the risk of tendinitis or carpel tunnel from typing. Same principle.
Cattafly
.40 S&W
You don't have to use any FFL if you don't want to or come on this site. That's a personal action on your part. They are providing a service for you and it is up to you whether you use them or not, plain and simple. So, if I walk by your house carrying, I should be able to send you a bill for providing security? Stupid huh? Just as your examples. BTW I'm pretty damn old too, just not as cheap as you are.
I do not believe any Dealers are Breaking the Law, and if you do well then try and get it changed....years ago Jefferson County was charging $3. for each handgun amended on/off a Licenses which was wrong, and after showing them the Law and their subsequent investigation, determined that they were in fact wrong and change their Fees.
Work/Job is a contract between you and your employer: If I had to go to NYC every day for a job, well I would require more money to do so....Travel Pay isn't anything unusual.
As for paying YOU visit the Forum, you've got it backwards: you should be paying to receive the information and entertainment offered here for free...it is NOT the same principle.
The other fact you may not be paying attention to is that $10. charge is to facilitate a transfer between a private seller and a private buyer, it's a Service and FFL's are not required to perform it for you, it's their good graces and policy ti do so or not...the "Fee" was done to pacify those complaining about no longer being able to conduct casual, private sales between non-dealers.
BTW: The State Dealers licenses has to be renewed and paid for in totality every three years....If you have a handgun Licenses now, can you imagine having to do the whole damn thing every three years? FFL has to also be renewed ($200. ) every three years and generally accompanies an in person, Industry Inspection from the BATFE Field Office, which will include an inventory, inspection of the Bound Books and a review of every 4473 from the last inspection to the current day....been there, done that.
Old Jalopy
.45 acp
It amazes me how many are ok with being ripped off. If I had a restaurant and had a burger on the menu for $10 but then said customers had to pay an added fee of $100 for me using my elecrticity and gas to make their meal I'd be out of business pretty fast.
I have no issue with a fee, but don't miss on my head and try to tell me its raining. I mean, it costs usually about $25 to install a scope, but $100 to sit on a computer for 5 minutes. Ot if there's a wait they do nothing b8t check the application once a week. They get their money if someone fails the test too by charging a 20% restocking fee, because its a lot of work to walk the 20 feet from the back room to the shelves.
There's a lot, a lot, of people who feel gun shops in NY like all this bullshit they put us through because it lines their pockets.
As for paying to be a member of a forum, maybe if I actually got something of value. This is a gun forum flooded with political crap that has nothing to do with guns. Forums need members, members don't always need forums.
I have no issue with a fee, but don't miss on my head and try to tell me its raining. I mean, it costs usually about $25 to install a scope, but $100 to sit on a computer for 5 minutes. Ot if there's a wait they do nothing b8t check the application once a week. They get their money if someone fails the test too by charging a 20% restocking fee, because its a lot of work to walk the 20 feet from the back room to the shelves.
There's a lot, a lot, of people who feel gun shops in NY like all this bullshit they put us through because it lines their pockets.
As for paying to be a member of a forum, maybe if I actually got something of value. This is a gun forum flooded with political crap that has nothing to do with guns. Forums need members, members don't always need forums.
TopShot
.357 mag
Tou-che, my sediments exactly.
Bitching about gun laws are doing nothing but pissing you off.
You want to do something about it.
Don't write to the forum, write to Congess !
Cattafly
.40 S&W
No. You put the price on your burger and that's what I'll pay you or not stay. Ripped off? If you feel that way don't go there. I guess you just don't know how much time and aggravation is involved with what you say is so simple. You ever own or work in a gun shop? If the answer is no then you are the one who expects them to put up with YOUR bullshit. As I said before, don't like it don't go there.
If you don't think there is nothing of value on this forum, nobody is begging you to stay. You actually sound more like a liberal troll than a gun owner.