Fight with a family member - lose your guns

[RDN]

How many of you out have ever been in an argument, fight or domestic incident. (this would include any family member). Well if King Cuomo gets his way you could have your gun(s) confiscated.
Domestic incident
Domestic abusers - undefined term, vague meaning
Domestic violence - Domestic violence is now commonly defined broadly to include "all acts of physical, sexual, psychological or economic violence" that may be committed by a family member or intimate partner. (economic violence - WTF ?!?)

New York State Wants to Take Guns Away From All Domestic Abusers

Gun-grabbers will never ever stop trying to take your rights away.
In the same way they contrived the term "Assault Weapon" and distorted the facts.
They're mutating / distorting the mean of domestic violence.

 

[Jem45472]

How many of you out have ever been in an argument, fight or domestic incident. (this would include any family member). Well if King Cuomo gets his way you could have your gun(s) confiscated.
Domestic incident
Domestic abusers - undefined term, vague meaning
Domestic violence - Domestic violence is now commonly defined broadly to include "all acts of physical, sexual, psychological or economic violence" that may be committed by a family member or intimate partner. (economic violence - WTF ?!?)

New York State Wants to Take Guns Away From All Domestic Abusers

Gun-grabbers will never ever stop trying to take your rights away.
In the same way they contrived the term "Assault Weapon" and distorted the facts.
They're mutating / distorting the mean of domestic violence.

Yes, scary thought. I'm to the point married over 20 years, nothing much too worry about as being married that long drags the fight out of you lol. But you are right, an argument, neighbor calling could have serious consequences.

 

[Criticalt]

I realize that there is a percentage of people shot by a loved one in the heat of the moment. However many more are stabbed, beat to death, drowned, run over, hit with a candlestick. Heat of the moment happens in a moment with the closest weapon.
The problem is that these days harsh language, raising your voice and mislabeling someones gender is considered violence.
My GF and I dont get into arguments, we get quiet and talk shit about each other and have no neighbrs.

 

[dsdmmat]

Anytime a government is allowed to define something it can change. Domestic abuse will become a verbal disagreement on the color of the wall. Saying no to go out to dinner instead of cooking in. Just like the definition of Assault weapon. A moving target.

 

[Criticalt]

Anytime a government is allowed to define something it can change. Domestic abuse will become a verbal disagreement on the color of the wall. Saying no to go out to dinner instead of coking in. Just like the definition of Assault weapon. A moving target.

I do prefer doing coke at home.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Depends on who makes the phone call to the police. Some couples are naturally loud and their natural conversations may be construed as fighting. People with hearing loss talk loud. So now you have a situation where a couple have multiple calls because of thin apartment walls or open windows. There's always the nosy neighbor with the over active imagination factor.

Add to the above the lack due process. Consider this last year how many people's lives have been changed based upon accusation alone. It should also be noted that the guns are removed from the couple's presence and not the violent partner. Maybe a superficial restraining order. Consider also that people lie.

My sisters ex broke her cheekbones and nose. A college friend was used as a human mop by her ex. Another friend was bounced off the wall until she was raped by her husband. At no point were there any guns, none of the ex's served any jail time nor were they charged. Basically a failure of the court system.

My sister above was Air Force at the time. In a second incident she pulled a Taurus 92 and near rammed it up his nose. Her restraining order against him was self reinforced. She has a bigger gun collection now and has since moved out of Florida, no problems with harassment either.

I don't see Andy's new gun law changing shit. Maybe some half deaf FUDDs with pissed off wives will get their guns confiscated.

 

[Robin]

From the sound of it, your anti-gun neighbor a half mile down the road can complain about your arguing in the front yard, weather, true or not, and you lose everything. Pretty much lost the 2nd., This should seal the deal on the 5th., And big media is killing the 1st., with the political correct posturing they incorporate into everything they do. NYSSR, FUNY, isn't it.
Robin

 

[Saltwater60]

Depends on who makes the phone call to the police. Some couples are naturally loud and their natural conversations may be construed as fighting. People with hearing loss talk loud. So now you have a situation where a couple have multiple calls because of thin apartment walls or open windows. There's always the nosy neighbor with the over active imagination factor.

Add to the above the lack due process. Consider this last year how many people's lives have been changed based upon accusation alone. It should also be noted that the guns are removed from the couple's presence and not the violent partner. Maybe a superficial restraining order. Consider also that people lie.

My sisters ex broke her cheekbones and nose. A college friend was used as a human mop by her ex. Another friend was bounced off the wall until she was raped by her husband. At no point were there any guns, none of the ex's served any jail time nor were they charged. Basically a failure of the court system.

My sister above was Air Force at the time. In a second incident she pulled a Taurus 92 and near rammed it up his nose. Her restraining order against him was self reinforced. She has a bigger gun collection now and has since moved out of Florida, no problems with harassment either.

I don't see Andy's new gun law changing shit. Maybe some half deaf FUDDs with pissed off wives will get their guns confiscated.

You said it. A failure of the courts. They are trying to cover up legal failures and taking guns away.

This law when passed notnif passed will lead to full gun registration in NYS. All long guns will need to be registered I'm almost certain of that.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I thought I read "convicted" for all the charges. Not charged. And yes, this will open a can of $hit for gun owner's and a significant other with a grudge.

 

[togmaster]

I do prefer doing coke at home.

 

[Defilade]

Gun-grabbers will never ever stop trying to take your rights away.

The term "Gun-Grabbers" needs to be redefined as for what they truly want to be or are and that is Tyrants.

 

[GTN]

I thought I read "convicted" for all the charges. Not charged

True but will be confiscated and thrown in a box when charged and returned if not convicted

 

[Deplorable Me]

From the sound of it, your anti-gun neighbor a half mile down the road can complain about your arguing in the front yard, weather, true or not, and you lose everything. Pretty much lost the 2nd., This should seal the deal on the 5th., And big media is killing the 1st., with the political correct posturing they incorporate into everything they do. NYSSR, FUNY, isn't it.
Robin

Or the neighbor could just not like the UnSafeAct sign in your front yard.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Dad to teenage kids: “stop mouthing off to me, and clean your rooms up, NOW!”
Teenagers to dad: mouthy, mouthy, mouthy...
Dad: “I don’t want to fucking hear it. Clean that shit up now, or else.”
Kids: muted compliance, barely...
Dad: drinking tea in the kitchen while they clean up.

10 minutes of quiet broken by doorbell: it’s the local cops. “We have a complaint that someone said that they thought someone was being killed here. Where is everybody?”

Dad: “my kids and I were having a parent / children discussion about their rooms.”

Cops: “we need to see and speak to them to be sure everyone is OK.”

Everyone questioned separately by the cops, and the cops leave.

Yeah. Been there, done that. Mrs. Kravitz lives next door to me, and my town is overcopped. Too many of them, and almost nothing to do daily.

 

[RBean]

Nassau County confiscates all guns in house any time there is a "domestic incident". They define a domestic incident as any disagreement between member of house hold or family with a police presence. I have two cases in Federal Court now. Because the don't have any hearing afterwards to determine if guns should be returned.

 

[Defilade]

Nassau County confiscates all guns in house any time there is a "domestic incident". They define a domestic incident as any disagreement between member of house hold or family with a police presence. I have two cases in Federal Court now. Because the don't have any hearing afterwards to determine if guns should be returned.

Do they take away the knives or blunt objects also? Do the idiots realize people are murdered more often to other means? Such ignorance! or should I say there is an agenda at play.

 

[Robin]

Because in the end, it has absolutely nothing to do with guns!
Robin

 

[stuck in ny]

They will simply expand the definition until being late from work is
" psychological attack" or some stupidity. I'm telling you, this politcal stuff will wind up hurting women due to the "cried wolf" effect.
This kind of stuff makes me lerely of getting married.

 

[RBean]

In Nassau County it is all spelled out in writing OPS 10023 and 10026. It also says the Domestic Liaison Officer is suppose to investigation and return guns as soon as possible. Only thing is they don't investigation and its never possible. Discovery showed in a two year period, they had 124 gun confiscations (events, not the total of guns taken) but in only 16 were the guns returned. Then after 2 to 4 years. A Federal Judge ruled they had to hold a "prompt post deprivation hearing" with the County having the burden of proof as to why they should be retained. The 2th Circuit adopted this decision, but the County still keeps on keeping on. Claims the investigation by the DLO provides "due process". Soon this will be state wide.

 

[Airborneguy]

God I hate to be labeled as the guy who's supporting this (because I know that is how this will be taken) but damn, stop with the fear-mongering. An argument will not lead to guns being taken. There must be more than that. I do this every, single day (there's literally a conversation about an incident going on over my shoulder as I type this).

 

[Airborneguy]

Depends on who makes the phone call to the police. Some couples are naturally loud and their natural conversations may be construed as fighting. People with hearing loss talk loud. So now you have a situation where a couple have multiple calls because of thin apartment walls or open windows. There's always the nosy neighbor with the over active imagination factor.

Ugh. No. Just no.

Third party calls cannot trigger this absent some crazy evidence found when the cops arrive. "My neighbors are fighting," leading to a knock on the door where both parties say nothing happened will never trigger this.

 

[libertysnake]

God I hate to be labeled as the guy who's supporting this (because I know that is how this will be taken) but damn, stop with the fear-mongering. An argument will not lead to guns being taken. There must be more than that. I do this every, single day (there's literally a conversation about an incident going on over my shoulder as I type this).

I think people just want clarity when it comes to the law, and when it can and cannot apply is all. Clarification is never an unwarranted concern, even if the fringe case doesn't happen open. That's all.

 

[Airborneguy]

I suppose but it sure seems people are STATING that is what will happen, not QUESTIONING whether it will or not. According to RBean, apparently Nassau County cops do this. I can state unequivocally that in the city, one will not lose their guns for an "argument".

 

[libertysnake]

I suppose but it sure seems people are STATING that is what will happen, not QUESTIONING whether it will or not. According to RBean, apparently Nassau County cops do this. I can state unequivocally that in the city, one will not lose their guns for an "argument".

Well, it's a moot point for me right now. I can't carry in the city per my state permit. However, should that change with the reciprocity act potentially passing, and NYC would be strong armed into complying (ironicly), then I would be carrying. Daily.

Although, tbh, Flatiron is one of the most chill places I've worked / currently work. I don't feel particularly unsafe with a ton of stupid fucking hipsters around -- but I'd still want to carry regardless.

 

[Truebeliever]

I suppose but it sure seems people are STATING that is what will happen, not QUESTIONING whether it will or not. According to RBean, apparently Nassau County cops do this. I can state unequivocally that in the city, one will not lose their guns for an "argument".

Are you sure?

How many cops have lost their guns in such circumstances ? While they investigate?

I’m not saying you aren’t right but if the political winds move that way, could it happen if the courts don’t intervene?

 

[RDN]

Domestic incidents don't have to involve just lovers. It can include siblings, cousins, ....ect. Basically anyone live in the house.

 

[Robin]

Course, these laws are never abused, or intentionally misapplied, I mean the 5th amendment like the 2nd is sacred, right? Where is the opt out for this bullshit, I like the old America where the constitution wasn't a game of semantics.
Robin

 

[Airborneguy]

Are you sure?

How many cops have lost their guns in such circumstances ? While they investigate?

I’m not saying you aren’t right but if the political winds move that way, could it happen if the courts don’t intervene?

The job treats us far worse than civilians. Of course that’s a lie to most here but you and I know the truth. An argument for us will almost definitely result in a loss of guns. But not civilians. One downside of “on the shield” gun “rights”.

 

[Airborneguy]

Domestic incidents don't have to involve just lovers. It can include siblings, cousins, ....ect. Basically anyone live in the house.

NY used to define roommates as “family” under the law but no longer. The Family Court Act defines “family” slightly more complicated but it’s by blood, in-laws (only current inlaws) or former/current sexual relations. That’s it.