first pc carbine

[Marine Cpl]

I looked into the Chiappa. Based on online reviews regarding reliability, I would pass. Plus the barrel is 19 inches long. With that long of a barrel, it actually starts slowing the 9mm down.

I went the AR 9mm route previously. Here are the negatives. NYS compliancy. You would either have to run a Thordsen stock, that spur grip that doesn’t let you hold it properly, or fix the magazine which is not ideal and even harder to load with a pistol round compared to a rifle round. The Thordsen is the best compliance of all three. Another negative of the 9mm in the AR platform is the recoil impulse. That heavy 9mm bolt smacking the buffer tube actually makes it feel like it has more recoil than a .223. I eventually sold it. I got tired of looking at the Thordsen stock. It was a constant reminder of these laws.

The Ruger. I got that to replace my AR9.

Pros...
It isn’t perfect, but it’s the best NYS legal alternative we have. The recoil impulse is much less than my AR9 that I sold. It’s accurate and reliable. There are a lot of aftermarket parts for it now. You can put red dots on it or a scope. You can even change the iron sights on it if you get the model with the upgraded handguard.

Cons...

It requires tools to disassemble. The weight could be a little lighter but it’s manageable. My AR9 was about 6 1/2 pounds. The Ruger is 7 pounds.

Regarding the weight, it is what it is unless you move to a free state and build an AR9 pistol with a short barrel.

 

[oc shooter]

u know it's looking more AND MORE like the ruger

 

[togmaster]

it must be me cause I spent almost an hour at my local gun shop holding 1 trying the sights it just doesn't work it feels heavy and doesn't swing right the rear sight is too far down the barrel. the price of $525 plus tax is acceptable and maybe this is what I'll wind up with but it will be a struggle come on guy's what else is out there or do I have to settle

Built an Ar9

 

[nortatoga]

u know it's looking more AND MORE like the ruger

I believe you will be happy with it's performance!

 

[knuts]

Build a ar9, use @Eddie Gunks enhanced trigger guard. A bunch of members here including myself have one. Really good ergonomics

 

[beebee]

I have a PC carbine.. Its ok I suppose, but in my opinion, and the opinion of a LOT of owners, Its way too heavy for what it is.. I find it tiring to hold for long, and when aiming, its always got a "nose heavy" feel.. I am not alone in that opinion, but to be fair, some guys like them fine. Also the recoil is pretty bad for such a small caliber. worse than my .223 rifles..

I also have an older Marlin camp 9 Carbine in 9mm that a pleasure to handle and shoot.. Light accurate, and a much nicer shoot than the Ruger.. The Ruger is a good gun, but was just built too heavily .. Most don't want that much weight and recoil in a pistol caliber carbine...
Looking back, I should have bought the Chiappa.. I didn't because of reliability issues I read about , but by this time, they may have sorted them out... bob

 

[BDinPutnam]

FWIW.

I built a featureless AR9 on a Circle10 Glock mag specific lower with a Thorsden stock.

It was expensive. It was nose heavy (though in fairness I put a heavy, fluted barrel on it). It had detachable magazines. I liked it very much (in part I suppose because it was the first AR I built).

It now lives in Michigan where it is a proper, excellent tool because my father in law has a regular stock and grip on it and, invaluable in my mind, a vertical foregrip. It is a joy to shoot in this configuration and I would easily and readily bet my family's life on it.

I dont get the "recoil is too heavy / recoil is more than a .223" argument in this context. Given proper springs and buffers I never ever found recoil on mine to be an issue let alone, really, noticeable. Coming from a guy that is recoil sensitive.

That said - buy the Ruger. In NYS I cant think of many arguments in favor of the AR9 over the Ruger unless you go fixed mag full featured- which is a gigantic pain in the ass to begin with but more so for a pistol caliber, and then it is just a range toy. I can see fixed mag for rifles in calibers you dont intend to pull from behind the bedstand; a PCC not so much.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I dont get the "recoil is too heavy / recoil is more than a .223" argument in this context. Given proper springs and buffers I never ever found recoil on mine to be an issue let alone, really, noticeable. Coming from a guy that is recoil sensitive.

I used a .308 buffer spring to tame that heavy bolt on the AR9. It became a lot more manageable but still a bit more recoil than the Ruger. Not punishing recoil, but rather more muzzle flip. With the Ruger, the barrel moves a lot less.

 

[beebee]

I mean, its not a punishing recoil or anything, but with all that mass, I would expected it to be a LOT softer.. As stated, i have an old Marlin Camp 9 in 9mm, and it shoots WAY softer than the Ruger, and weighs a LOT less..
Its not that its unmanageable, its just unexpected... I may just have gotten a "bad one"... Other reviewers have said the same thing.. Surprising recoil for such a timid round in a long gun.. Actually I would trade my PCC for the Chiappa M1 9mm if I can find one.. Just don't like the feel compared to all my other long guns.. bob

 

[nortatoga]

I was sent a replacement prototype buffer from Trigger Spring Kits | Custom Gun Parts & Accessories | MCARBO to test and send them my opinion. I installed both the



Along with the.....



Met a friend at the Club with his factory original PC9 , We each shot 5 rds with his first then 5 rds with mine ( 115 gr Winchester white box) both notice a big difference with the new buffer and spring, now I need to install the trigger spring kit I didn't want to skew the comparison with that in my PC9 also! Next I may also order their Ruger PC Carbine Exact Edge Extractor and the Ruger PC Carbine Flat Trigger!

 

[Phauxtoe]

nah not a red dot person

I am NOT a red dot person on a hand gun, HOWEVER on a rifle OMG it is Crazy Crazy FAST!
I am a huge Peep Sight guy, but Holy Crap, a Red Dot on a PC Carbine is amazing.

Paul Harrel, likes the Baretta better and shoots if more accurately, but its a no go in NY

as far as Weight, Light rifles SUCK for accuracy.
I add weight to my rifle if they i am looking for better precision.