Fox News knew they were lying about election!

[Truebeliever]

Just toward the FOX case. Where did any of the host say Dominion did such and such?
They interviewed someone who made the claim. Even the some of the liberal media admits Carlson gave a tough interview .

 

[spat]

Supreme Court looked at the evidence and the previous rulings when the Conservative majority voted not to hear the case.

I'm not sure any court heard the evidence.

I believe all of the cases were declined or rejected on procedural grounds.

Although I can't imagine why *everyone* in the country doesn't have standing to sue over fraud in a presidential election, that's how some were ruled.


Are you aware of any cases where the actual evidence was heard ?

 

[spat]

It is a fact that the 2016 Trump Campaign solicited campaign assistance from a Russian agent. Nobody has denied this.

Many of the Trump cases that he lost actually did have evidence presented. And rejected as nonsense.

You lost, get over it.

Illegally solicited assistance ? Or just happened to get perfectly legal assistance from a person or company that happened to be Russian?


It's not like the Trump campaign paid a Russian agent to fabricate evidence about his opponent, then passed it off to the FBI who then used it to acquire warrants to surveil his opponents campaign and then turned the results of that surveillance over to him ?

Certainly *somebody* did all that in 2015, but it also was *not* the Trump campaign.

When you compare that to something like hiring some Russian to send out your mailers, it kinda puts things in perspective.

 

[Truebeliever]

Illegally solicited assistance ? Or just happened to get perfectly legal assistance from a person or company that happened to be Russian?


It's not like the Trump campaign paid a Russian agent to fabricate evidence about his opponent, then passed it off to the FBI who then used it to acquire warrants to surveil his opponents campaign and then turned the results of that surveillance over to him ?

Certainly *somebody* did all that in 2015, but it also was *not* the Trump campaign.

When you compare that to something like hiring some Russian to send out your mailer

It is a fact that the 2016 Trump Campaign solicited campaign assistance from a Russian agent. Nobody has denied this.

Many of the Trump cases that he lost actually did have evidence presented. And rejected as nonsense.

You lost, get over it.

Solicited campaign assistance from a Russian?
That is not what happened.
Fusion GPS worked with a Russian agent who solicited Trump jr. A Russian agent who was denied entry into the USA until a special visa was arranged by the Obama White House . These are all facts . Fusion GPS met with the agent just before and just after the Trump jr meeting that was arraigned by them . Trump jr even had someone call him so he could get out of the meeting —this was all proven .
Trump jr did not solicit the meeting . It was just the opposite.

Fusion GPS was behind the Steele dossier, some of the misrepresentations to the FISA court etc. And this was the latest revelation.

‘Steele Dossier’ firm Fusion GPS tied to bogus rape report against billionaire

A federal judge found last week that Fusion GPS — the opposition research firm that compiled the now-discredited “Steele dossier” that had claimed Donald Trump colluded with Russia — played a …

nypost.com

 

[JonStoh]

I guess the OP has never heard of a bell curve, and the statistical fact that deviations from the bell curve are only seen when the test or experiment is manipulated. Of course, this would require reading, research, intellect, and the ability for critical thinking. Instead - the baseline for truth is Hannity, Carlson, and Ingraham.

Please stop arguing with this Lilliputian. It's demeaning.

Some people find it hard to understand that the vote count was slow and many large districts came in in the middle of the night including large counts of absentee ballots. That is how you explain the so-called sudden jump from Trump winning to Biden winning. We all watched it we all saw it but only some of us understand it. Some people want to find it evil devious monstrous conspiracy but in reality the explanation is much simpler and much easier to understand. People in the affected States look at the so-called anomalies and if there was any sign of fraud they would have investigated further but like I said they are intelligent and understand what happened and saw nothing problematic. Paranoia and a deep sense of failure can force some people to desire a much more sinister explanation but that doesn't make it accurate.

 

[JonStoh]

I'm sorry but it is a fact that Manafort, kushner and Trump Jr met with a Russian agent in Trump Tower. The agent said they could give the Trump campaign dirt on Hillary in exchange for Trump promising to end sanctions against Russia.

It is a violation of campaign finance law to receive anything of value from a non-american or to even solicit anything of value from a non-american related to a campaign. This includes campaign research.

 

[JonStoh]

With regards to supposed election fraud in 2020, and these supposed fraudulent move from Trump winning to Biden winning in the middle of the night, did you look into where these supposed fraudulent votes came from? Were they absentee ballots? Where are they from heavenly urban districts that had not completed their vote counts? You can't just magically assume that because it looks like an anomaly it magically means it was definitely fraud. You have to be intelligent and look into these things I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation and the people in the states looked into it.

As for States changing their election rules at the last minute that is a legitimate complaint. The Constitution does say that only the legislature can make election laws & rules. But what if there are sudden and unexpected circumstances that make a rule problematic? What if a judge decides that one of the voting laws is arbitrary capricious and unduly burdensome? What if there is a last-minute problem with the mail service and absentee ballots may not get in in time? What if there is a health or weather emergency that prevents people from being able to wait on long lines in crowded indoor areas? What if a voting rule blatantly violates the state constitution? Judges clearly have to have the ability to rule on such matters.

However should governors be able to make changes all by themselves like what happened in Texas, where the governor decided unilaterally to limit the number of drop boxes? No I think only judges should be able to make such decisions.

And the supreme Court needs to decide what kind of decisions are valid.

 

[Defilade]

Some people find it hard to understand that the vote count was slow and many large districts came in in the middle of the night including large counts of absentee ballots. That is how you explain the so-called sudden jump from Trump winning to Biden winning. We all watched it we all saw it but only some of us understand it. Some people want to find it evil devious monstrous conspiracy but in reality the explanation is much simpler and much easier to understand. People in the affected States look at the so-called anomalies and if there was any sign of fraud they would have investigated further but like I said they are intelligent and understand what happened and saw nothing problematic. Paranoia and a deep sense of failure can force some people to desire a much more sinister explanation but that doesn't make it accurate.

Election day is not suppose to be Election week! What you are explaining is buying time for fraud!

 

[Zerex]

Apparently he believes like most Libs, that Fox news and its reporters are gods, and rule us.
Stupid people with no insight like, that are always communists.

Before Trump, and after weak Romney and McCain, we needed a Trump to counter that BLM Brinks Bandit killer/maniac, and basically WE created Trump, not the otherway around.

Need brings forth the answer. "If you build it they will come." We created Ronald Reagan in the same manner, and crushed the communists who pushed forth the Boland Amendment.

The same thing today is bringing forth Trump like Candidates whom we created by the fertile political ground we create for them...........Trump, like Caesar may be killed by his inner circle but the candidates imitate him, and the concepts predate Trump, and we rule.

The criminal outlaw judges who decided to ignore the laws of logic, were Trump haters and that makes them criminals for not doing their job, in favor of their political biases. Yes, many people hated trump butthat is not a reason to steal an election form the peasants who put him in office....believing that the end justifies the means.

We rule not the deep state or its thugs or supporters.

The simple fact is that the battleground states had major discrepancies that if it happened to Biden would have resulted in many court cases.

SCOTUS did not hear the Pa case involving Pa not obeying its own Constitution, and accepting ballots after the deadline, preferring to let it run its course in State Appeals courts. It never decided the case on its merits....like most courts as the corrupt judges got their orders form the DNC

There is a concept in war that basically says, live to fight another day.

Anyone believe that even after the Gov't planned jan 6th debacle, that is being exposed each day for its corruption, that we are not even more united than ever against the godless communists, and deep staters............. and the Clinton-Rothchild-Rockefeller-Soros WEC, WHO cabal?

We are even more cognizant today and are not crushed by the coup d etat plotters.

I never heard of Q until it was exposed on tv..."but those people exist in vast numbers Usal, Vast numbers."

Fear us....the deep state does.

Where is the grass roots DNC "Q"..................ANTIFA!!!!

 

[Jmac00]

Meanwhile Hannity, Carlson and Ingraham thought all of Trump's loony claims were silly BS.

What makes you smarter than them?

the same thing you don't have ~~~COMMON SENSE

 

[Jmac00]

Some people find it hard to understand that the vote count was slow and many large districts came in in the middle of the night including large counts of absentee ballots.* That is how you explain the so-called sudden jump from Trump winning to Biden winning. We all watched it we all saw it but only some of us understand it.** Some people want to find it evil devious monstrous conspiracy but in reality the explanation is much simpler and much easier to understand. People in the affected States look at the so-called anomalies and if there was any sign of fraud they would have investigated further but like I said they are intelligent and understand what happened and saw nothing problematic. *** Paranoia and a deep sense of failure can force some people to desire a much more sinister explanation but that doesn't make it accurate.

* wrong! not "absentee ballots" ~~~ mail-in or harvested ballots --- HUGE difference

** wrong, again! and thats the problem, NO ONE WATCHED IT, they were so blatant about cheating they covered the fucking windows, and the DNC demanded the GOP watchers leave the room, while 'they' ran ballots through the machine a few times, its on video, but the justice system in blind to the obvious

***the anomalies, were obvious problems. and no, the communists went to great lengths to suppress any evidence. But you were right in one regard, the cheaters are very intelligent and they understood exactly what they were doing and they knew they could get away with it.

 

[JonStoh]

Election day is not suppose to be Election week! What you are explaining is buying time for fraud!

If a state decides to allow early voting they have the right to do that. They can allow an entire month of early voting if they want. This is all the discretion of Congress and the state legislatures.

 

[JonStoh]

* wrong! not "absentee ballots" ~~~ mail-in or harvested ballots --- HUGE difference

** wrong, again! and thats the problem, NO ONE WATCHED IT, they were so blatant about cheating they covered the fucking windows, and the DNC demanded the GOP watchers leave the room, while 'they' ran ballots through the machine a few times, its on video, but the justice system in blind to the obvious

***the anomalies, were obvious problems. and no, the communists went to great lengths to suppress any evidence. But you were right in one regard, the cheaters are very intelligent and they understood exactly what they were doing and they knew they could get away with it.

So far you have not shown any actual evidence, just a vast baseless conspiracy theory. And a colorful and vivid imagination.

Get back to me when you have any hard facts and evidence of widespread fraud.

Reminder that speculation and baseless accusations are not evidence.

 

[Defilade]

If a state decides to allow early voting they have the right to do that. They can allow an entire month of early voting if they want. This is all the discretion of Congress and the state legislatures.

You don't know what you are talking about. Elections used to be decided on the day of. The States decision set things up for corruption plain and simple.


"Only in the United States and other banana republics does it take days and days, and more days, to see the results, which are clearing being tampered with time and time again."

The "new normal" is to delay election results for days and days - Survive the News

(Natural News) It was not all that long ago that election results were reported the day of an election, at most just a few hours after the polls closed. Today, however, election results take days or even weeks to appear: why? As many now recognize, the 2020 election fiasco changed the game on...

www.survivethenews.com

 

[repete]

If a news program knowingly lies about you and causes you monetary or other harm, you can totally sue. But you must be able to prove that they knew they were lying. Thats how the law works.

Hannity's show is not a "news" program, He says that quite often. There goes that idea.

 

[RedBreast21]

Troll.

Dominion has plenty of current election issues from foreign countries. But don't let that get in the way of good propaganda.

That is in fact where the story begins and as to why they were chosen. Context people, it matters.

 

[Acer-m14]

Some people find it hard to understand that the vote count was slow and many large districts came in in the middle of the night including large counts of absentee ballots.

funny i can't recall the delaying of counts when we used these

 

[Defilade]

funny i can't recall the delaying of counts when we used these

Oh but hanging chads!!! Lol. which I would take in a minute over the disaster of today.

 

[spat]

It is a violation of campaign finance law to receive anything of value from a non-american or to even solicit anything of value from a non-american related to a campaign. This includes campaign research.

So why haven't more people in the Clinton or Biden campaign been prosecuted for doing that ?

The list of examples is too long to list here, but a few have been posted above.

Donations to the Clinton foundation dropped 75% after her loss in 2016, the majority of them were from foreign sources.

You guys try to make a mountain out of "but Trump people talked to a Russian" and completely ignore the fact that foreign actors practically funded the Clinton and Biden campaigns wholesale.

It's ridiculous.

Just like Trump said "you should look into that corruption" and the left calls that "illegal quid pro quo". Biden literally brags on national TV saying "I told them to fire the prosecutor looking into my son or they wouldn't get a billion dollars in aid, and sure as shit they fired him" and they call that "just doing his job".

If the left didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all.

 

[spat]

So far you have not shown any actual evidence, just a vast baseless conspiracy theory. And a colorful and vivid imagination.

Get back to me when you have any hard facts and evidence of widespread fraud.

Reminder that speculation and baseless accusations are not evidence.

The circular reasoning of the left must make you guys dizzy.

"There is no evidence of fraud, so there was no fraud"

"But nobody was allowed to investigate to look for evidence"

"Why would we investigate, we already decided there was no fraud to investigate".


Imagine applying that logic to police brutality. "There's no point in looking for evidence because we know it doesn't happen, and we know it doesn't happen because there's no evidence"

 

[Truebeliever]

I'm sorry but it is a fact that Manafort, kushner and Trump Jr met with a Russian agent in Trump Tower. The agent said they could give the Trump campaign dirt on Hillary in exchange for Trump promising to end sanctions against Russia.

It is a violation of campaign finance law to receive anything of value from a non-american or to even solicit anything of value from a non-american related to a campaign. This includes campaign research.

One, they did meet with the Russian. It is not illegal to listen to information. Otherwise it would be illegal for Hillary to get the Steele dossier which was created by a foreign national from information from another foreign national . Double standard? Neither was illegal in itself.

 

[Truebeliever]

So far you have not shown any actual evidence, just a vast baseless conspiracy theory. And a colorful and vivid imagination.

Get back to me when you have any hard facts and evidence of widespread fraud.

Reminder that speculation and baseless accusations are not evidence.

There is no evidence that attending a Black Lives Matter event spread covid but other outdoor protests alledgely were cancelled or outlawed because it would . Wonder why there was no evidence? Because the health officials were ordered not to even ask the question about attending BLM rallies to COVID positive people . FBI and others were ordered not to look for evidence so of course no evidence was found .
And if all the safeguards were removed how do you track a secret ballot vote?

 

[Paxal]

​

So it turns out Sean Hannity and other Fox News personalities KNEW they were lying about the 2020 election. In text messages to each other, Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson ridiculed and rejected the claims of conspiracy and fraud in the election. But on air, they made believe they were real. In Testimony, Hannity and Other Fox Employees Said They Doubted Trump’s Fraud Claims (Published 2022) On Wednesday, lawyers for Dominion Voting Systems shared some of the strongest evidence yet that some Fox employees knew what they broadcast about the claims was false. www.nytimes.com Fox News hosts and executives privately mocked pro-Trump election conspiracy theories after he lost, internal texts show A new legal filing from Dominion reveals internal messages from Tucker Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and more Fox News brass. www.businessinsider.com They knew the claims about Dominion software were baseless BS. They knew all the conspiracy theories were silly nonsense. But they fueled and spread them anyway, doing serious financial harm to Dominion and other companies. Fox is toast. I think they will be found liable and will owe $1 billion in damages. Or more.

Who cares? There is still ample evidence of fraud. Evidence that was kept out of court. That, taken with what happened and is happending in AZ is proof enough for me that the system was manipulated. The out come is this: Did Trump lose? I don’t know, I can’t say for sure. Did Biden win? I don’t know, can’t say for sure. That is the problem. The law in AZ is that even the appearance of fraud is grounds for a new election. That is the standard that shoudl apply, otherwise, we end up right where we are - stuck in the mud and shouting at each other over who drove off the road.

 

[spat]

Who cares? There is still ample evidence of fraud. Evidence that was kept out of court. That, taken with what happened and is happending in AZ is proof enough for me that the system was manipulated. The out come is this: Did Trump lose? I don’t know, I can’t say for sure. Did Biden win? I don’t know, can’t say for sure. That is the problem. The law in AZ is that even the appearance of fraud is grounds for a new election. That is the standard that shoudl apply, otherwise, we end up right where we are - stuck in the mud and shouting at each other over who drove off the road.

At this point the real problem is the loss of confidence in our elections.

Of course there was fraud, there is always fraud. Anyone claiming there is none can be dismissed out of hand, they are obviously wrong.

Whether there was enough fraud to alter the outcome is the question. I think it's likely there was, but we will never know at this point.

However, back to my original point, it's the loss of confidence that is the real enduring crisis.

If 30% of the country doesn't feel like they can trust the integrity of our elections we have a big problem. It doesn't matter if they're right or not, it's their trust that's critical.

The leftist approach is to just tell them "you're wrong, so suck it up" and that is *not* going to restore that trust. If they can't come up with a better plan we're doomed.

 

[dwa12479]

18/19 bellwether counties that have correctly predicted the last 10 cycles of presidential elections went to Trump. And somehow he still lost. Thats a statistical probability of getting hit by lightning twice in the same week.

 

[ManualF150]

funny i can't recall the delaying of counts when we used these

What I would do to go back to those days... the scantron shit is garbage.

 

[Acer-m14]

Every window that was covered up so you could not watch the counting was breaking voting laws

so "ALL" the ballots from that place should be null and void

 

[CaseHardened]

Democrat Arrested and Indicted on 82 Counts of Voter Fraud

Yawn.

One of thousands.

Good start, though.

 

[Defilade]

Democrat Arrested and Indicted on 82 Counts of Voter Fraud

Yawn.

One of thousands.

Good start, though.

82 counts? Going to the big house slick!!

 

[Cavalry]

82 counts? Going to the big house slick!!

Bud, I cant believe thats all? Seriously?