FPC and SAF File Lawsuit Challenging Safe Act

[Grimscale]

I cannot understand how the S.C. can say permits are ok in one breath, and in the next breath claim that anything not existing at the time of the ratification of the 2nd is no-go.
On top of that, the whole idea of the 2nd is to tell the .gov that some things CANNOT be touched. Yet the S.C. is saying we have to ask the .gov permissions to exercise them? The hypocrisy is amazing!

 

[maverick52]

I cannot understand how the S.C. can say permits are ok in one breath, and in the next breath claim that anything not existing at the time of the ratification of the 2nd is no-go.
On top of that, the whole idea of the 2nd is to tell the .gov that some things CANNOT be touched. Yet the S.C. is saying we have to ask the .gov permissions to exercise them? The hypocrisy is amazing!

Not hypocrisy. It’s inconsistency. The courts are very inconsistent and that allows a lot of the problems we have.

 

[dsdmmat]

Running away will not fix the problem. Running away allows THEM, to move into the next state and take that next state too.
People need to stop running away and start fighting back. This why we lose so much. We allow them to push us around like sheep.

What do you think will happen when that cancer spreads to the free state you ran to. You gonna keep running?
Eventually, the wolves corner the sheep, and then YOU are the dinner! Let that sink in before you choose to run!

People need to grow a set of balls, STAND UP AND FIGHT! We are AMERICANS, not P U S S I E` S
Now pick up that damn shovel and DIG IN! Nobody said this was going to be easy!

We fight them in court NOW, so that we DON`T have to go to the unwanted methods!
We stick together, we fight them in court, we beat them, because it sets the precedent for your kids & grandkids!

As long as the people keep voting for the current and future crop of dictators running NY it will always be a lost cause. You will fight them in court in perpetuity. The change starts when the dictators get voted out.

 

[Saltwater60]

Running away will not fix the problem. Running away allows THEM, to move into the next state and take that next state too.
People need to stop running away and start fighting back. This why we lose so much. We allow them to push us around like sheep.

What do you think will happen when that cancer spreads to the free state you ran to. You gonna keep running?
Eventually, the wolves corner the sheep, and then YOU are the dinner! Let that sink in before you choose to run!

People need to grow a set of balls, STAND UP AND FIGHT! We are AMERICANS, not P U S S I E` S
Now pick up that damn shovel and DIG IN! Nobody said this was going to be easy!

We fight them in court NOW, so that we DON`T have to go to the unwanted methods!
We stick together, we fight them in court, we beat them, because it sets the precedent for your kids & grandkids!

I’m sorry but this is fucking hilarious. Let me guess voting will fix it?
I’m curious to get more perspective on this considering many states are moving farther and farther left while the most conservative states are thriving. Many moved to Florida, Texas, Idaho, and Tennessee recently and those states are thriving and moving farther right because that’s who’s moving there. Yes a few places are teetering like AZ and Texas is close but that’s because the tech industry in Texas and most of those are more liberal.
The fight isn’t at the state level it’s at the age level. These kids today are the farthest left they have ever been and it’s by design. The left is transimg the kids to convert them and their parents to join the left. The left is also literally bribing and paying people to vote for them. This is why we are losing not because we’re moving.
I will say the people fleeing NYS this time around could have made an impact on the election but the left still has a super majority and I don’t think that would have changed with our brothers and sisters back in NYS. Even if Zeldin was our governor it wouldn’t have lasted or done very much. If we stay and fight we are still stuck in a liberal stronghold and is living in NYS doesn’t impact if a lawsuit will be brought or if we will be successful in that lawsuit. NYS and many other states are lost causes. I used to think you or I could make a difference too, but I’ve come to realize things have changed and people are moving further left. Look at Hochul’s lies saying anyone can carry a gun under Bruen and her followers believe this. You won’t change their mind or their vote. Staying is a fools errand. I’ll be here for another 6-20 years depending on how things shake out so I’m stuck here with you but you’re wrong on staying here.

 

[Saltwater60]

I cannot understand how the S.C. can say permits are ok in one breath, and in the next breath claim that anything not existing at the time of the ratification of the 2nd is no-go.
On top of that, the whole idea of the 2nd is to tell the .gov that some things CANNOT be touched. Yet the S.C. is saying we have to ask the .gov permissions to exercise them? The hypocrisy is amazing!

It’s because people won’t accept no 4473, no background checks, or no permit in certain states. I agree with you and you hit it on the head it makes no sense.

 

[m1_ping]

Mav, i just read all 19 pages. Looks like a pretty strong lawsuit. Now we just have to hope that New Yorkers get their long awaited relief.

AND, it DOES include the mag bans and ALL features.

Sooner the better!

Which section covers the mag ban? I must have missed it.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I’m sorry but this is fucking hilarious. Let me guess voting will fix it?
I’m curious to get more perspective on this considering many states are moving farther and farther left while the most conservative states are thriving. Many moved to Florida, Texas, Idaho, and Tennessee recently and those states are thriving and moving farther right because that’s who’s moving there. Yes a few places are teetering like AZ and Texas is close but that’s because the tech industry in Texas and most of those are more liberal.
The fight isn’t at the state level it’s at the age level. These kids today are the farthest left they have ever been and it’s by design. The left is transimg the kids to convert them and their parents to join the left. The left is also literally bribing and paying people to vote for them. This is why we are losing not because we’re moving.
I will say the people fleeing NYS this time around could have made an impact on the election but the left still has a super majority and I don’t think that would have changed with our brothers and sisters back in NYS. Even if Zeldin was our governor it wouldn’t have lasted or done very much. If we stay and fight we are still stuck in a liberal stronghold and is living in NYS doesn’t impact if a lawsuit will be brought or if we will be successful in that lawsuit. NYS and many other states are lost causes. I used to think you or I could make a difference too, but I’ve come to realize things have changed and people are moving further left. Look at Hochul’s lies saying anyone can carry a gun under Bruen and her followers believe this. You won’t change their mind or their vote. Staying is a fools errand. I’ll be here for another 6-20 years depending on how things shake out so I’m stuck here with you but you’re wrong on staying here.

"hilarious" No, actually its not funny at all.
Ok, so lets ALL just say fu_k it and give up on our country. I guess giving up is easier for most people these days. If your mindset is continuing to ignore everything, and running away will fix it, you are wrong. When there is no place left to run, then what.

"considering many states are moving farther and farther left"
Yeah, lets just ignore those too while we`re at it, until the whole country is like all those states people are running away from so that the poison can continue spreading until the whole country is infected.

 

[maverick52]

These kids today are the farthest left they have ever been and it’s by design. The left is transimg the kids to convert them and their parents to join the left. The left is also literally bribing and paying people to vote for them. This is why we are losing not because we’re moving.

This is the problem. Not just in NY but all over the nation.

 

[Saltwater60]

"hilarious" No, actually its not funny at all.
Ok, so lets ALL just say fu_k it and give up on our country. I guess giving up is easier for most people these days. If your mindset is continuing to ignore everything, and running away will fix it, you are wrong. When there is no place left to run, then what.

"considering many states are moving farther and farther left"
Yeah, lets just ignore those too while we`re at it, until the whole country is like all those states people are running away from so that the poison can continue spreading until the whole country is infected.

We’re not ignoring those other states because we’re moving to them to shore up a conservative majority there.
No one is saying give up on anything except NYS. NYS is a lost cause and if you feel differently then you’re clearly in the minority. No one is giving up on anything but how do you think we can get out of this in NYS? Voting doesn’t work because we’re so outnumbered, writing your legislators doesn’t work because they got elected running on gun control and scotus can only take us so far or hold out so long.
Yes this disease may spread across the country but when was the last time a true conservative was elected statewide in NYS? Pataki doesn’t count as a real conservative by the way. At least AZ is 50/50 and many other states a strong conservative is elected state wide 100% of the time so why is moving there to ensure that continues a bad thing? I’m not following your logic or is it just misery loves company and you don’t want to leave NYS so you want us around, it’s touching but I don’t see myself staying here forever.
Yes of the entire country falls into a liberal bastion I will seriously consider leaving the USA when I retire. I want my retirement to be happy not fighting. Am I running away maybe, but if there nothing left here then there’s nothing left here.

 

[Saltwater60]

This is the problem. Not just in NY but all over the nation.

Correct. This is why the left is fighting so hard to have drag queen kids days, drag day at the public library and teach your kids about being gay or trans in school. Parents will love their kids no matter what and transing the kids is a way to get many more people on the lefts side. This is why we’re losing, it’s the kids and in 10 years when the boomers die off and all these high school and middle school kids now are voting it won’t be good. The Biden admin has done a lot of damage and I fear there’s no correcting this spiral.

 

[m1_ping]

Judge Kenneth M. Karas (Bush43) assigned to this case (Lane v. James)

I'm glad it isn't an Obama or Biden appointee, however Bush43 doesn't exactly have the best lineup of judicial appointments among Republicans.

 

[maverick52]

Correct. This is why the left is fighting so hard to have drag queen kids days, drag day at the public library and teach your kids about being gay or trans in school. Parents will love their kids no matter what and transing the kids is a way to get many more people on the lefts side. This is why we’re losing, it’s the kids and in 10 years when the boomers die off and all these high school and middle school kids now are voting it won’t be good. The Biden admin has done a lot of damage and I fear there’s no correcting this spiral.

The fight is much bigger than gun rights. Progressivism is the cancer of our society.

 

[maverick52]

Judge Kenneth M. Karas (Bush43) assigned to this case (Lane v. James)

I'm glad it isn't an Obama or Biden appointee, however Bush43 doesn't exactly have the best lineup of judicial appointments among Republicans.

I just saw this. I think it’s good and am certain we will win this. And it will be consequential.

 

[togmaster]

Lane is a Larchmont boy. Interesting...

 

[maverick52]

Lane is a Larchmont boy. Interesting...

I think I know the guy.

 

[Saltwater60]

The fight is much bigger than gun rights. Progressivism is the cancer of our society.

You sir are very correct. The fight is about everything in our lives and gun rights is actually only a small part of that. He’s it’s important but only a small part. When you think of it we are being wiped out completely. Conservative talk and free speech is being silenced, traditional family and marriage is under attack, your kids free thought is under attack as they are being brainwashed horribly. I just heard young adults polled now say 20% identify as LGBTQA up from around 4-5%. The younger generation will be three times that. My kids tell me everyone says they are something other than straight in their schools. Our finances and our daily lives are also at stake with EVs and all electric houses.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

We’re not ignoring those other states because we’re moving to them to shore up a conservative majority there.
No one is saying give up on anything except NYS. NYS is a lost cause and if you feel differently then you’re clearly in the minority. No one is giving up on anything but how do you think we can get out of this in NYS? Voting doesn’t work because we’re so outnumbered, writing your legislators doesn’t work because they got elected running on gun control and scotus can only take us so far or hold out so long.
Yes this disease may spread across the country but when was the last time a true conservative was elected statewide in NYS? Pataki doesn’t count as a real conservative by the way. At least AZ is 50/50 and many other states a strong conservative is elected state wide 100% of the time so why is moving there to ensure that continues a bad thing? I’m not following your logic or is it just misery loves company and you don’t want to leave NYS so you want us around, it’s touching but I don’t see myself staying here forever.
Yes of the entire country falls into a liberal bastion I will seriously consider leaving the USA when I retire. I want my retirement to be happy not fighting. Am I running away maybe, but if there nothing left here then there’s nothing left here.

If I recall correctly you used to be in the camp of "stay and vote together to vote them out and take control back".

It's not realistic. Maybe in 2000 it was possible but it's just flat out wrong now and no one here should be thinking that way. It's not logical. We can never out vote or out maneuver the Dems who laugh in the face of SCOTUS rulings as they circumvent them. It's a lost cause. To come to that realization doesn't mean we don't care or aren't still willing to fight. It's not an " either or" argument. You can recognize and accept it and still fight it but being delusional that this state can be saved is just not realistic.

IMO I mean this completely sincerely. In my .02 cents I think The best possible outcome is red states get redder, and blue states get bluer. We get a divorce and break up the country as we know it into with regional "states" or make each state a self governing state as they were likely intended to be. We can still all have free trade agreements and a shared military and national border but let blue and red states completely govern themselves. I have no idea how difficult it would be but I think it's the best way to try to salvage what's left of our nation because I'm worried about the path it's on.

 

[Tisto]

If I recall correctly you used to be in the camp of "stay and vote together to vote them out and take control back".

It's not realistic. Maybe in 2000 it was possible but it's just flat out wrong now and no one here should be thinking that way. It's not logical. We can never out vote or out maneuver the Dems who laugh in the face of SCOTUS rulings as they circumvent them. It's a lost cause. To come to that realization doesn't mean we don't care or aren't still willing to fight. It's not an " either or" argument. You can recognize and accept it and still fight it but being delusional that this state can be saved is just not realistic.

IMO I mean this completely sincerely. In my .02 cents I think The best possible outcome is red states get redder, and blue states get bluer. We get a divorce and break up the country as we know it into with regional "states" or make each state a self governing state as they were likely intended to be. We can still all have free trade agreements and a shared military and national border but let blue and red states completely govern themselves. I have no idea how difficult it would be but I think it's the best way to try to salvage what's left of our nation because I'm worried about the path it's on.

That is how the United States was intended. The Federal government was intended to be small and relatively powerless while each State governed itself, free to experiment with various governing methods. When the Civil War happened, Lincoln siezed a great deal of power for the Federal government. Since that time, each State has been losing it's sovereignty while the Federal government absorbs more and more authority.

There was, originally, an understanding that each State would govern itself as it saw fit. That, however, proved impossible while still maintaining peaceful relationships with all the other States. Federalism intervened to keep the Country united, lest that it would have otherwise separated well over 100 years ago.

Just like EVERY other governing body throughout history, the Federal government cannot stop trying to feed it's never ending desire for yet more power. The Feds steal power from the States. The State steals power from the counties. The Counties steal power from the citizen. The Citizen is no longer Sovereign. And so it goes, until the Citizen stands up and SIEZES HIS SOVIERGNTY FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

That, my friends, is the history of the human race.

 

[Acer-m14]

Hell I been at my County building just days ago .. .. houses the Town Clerk , police station and DMV and Courtrooms all inside ..

never needed to show ID to enter ..

this is the IQ level we also have to deal with ..

Cayuga County .. the county attorney and chairman speak out ..

you can go watch the vid if you want to .. shouldn't be hard to find ..

just a screen shot

 

[JunkBoxFull]

yeahhhh, you guys are right. There is no point in helping our neighbors fight the tyrants.

Thanks for the conversations anyway guys. I read into it what i pretty much already knew.

We, "the gun culture", were never united anyway, and we never will be.

Take care, all.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

This is the problem. Not just in NY but all over the nation.

THANK YOU MAVRICK52, my point EXACTLY!
But some folks here have already decided to run away and hide somewhere else.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

You sir are very correct. The fight is about everything in our lives and gun rights is actually only a small part of that. He’s it’s important but only a small part. When you think of it we are being wiped out completely. Conservative talk and free speech is being silenced, traditional family and marriage is under attack, your kids free thought is under attack as they are being brainwashed horribly. I just heard young adults polled now say 20% identify as LGBTQA up from around 4-5%. The younger generation will be three times that. My kids tell me everyone says they are something other than straight in their schools. Our finances and our daily lives are also at stake with EVs and all electric houses.

So, i see you can talk alot about the problems, but where are your solutions that actually fix the problems.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

yeahhhh, you guys are right. There is no point in helping our neighbors fight the tyrants.

Thanks for the conversations anyway guys. I read into it what i pretty much already knew.

We, "the gun culture", were never united anyway, and we never will be.

Take care, all.

We have literally said the exact opposite.

It is worth fighting but you're not being realistic. This state is a lost cause and it's plainly obvious.

 

[Chris1389]

I love NY i just hate the liberal government. NY offers alot. Many of times id be hunting or fishing in the mountain's at 4am and at 6pm enjoying a steak dinner in Manhattan. I also really enjoy all 4 seasons. If i were to ever move id def stay in the northeast. NH, MA, RI i really enjoy. I dont care how cheap the south is, its not for me.

 

[Saltwater60]

If I recall correctly you used to be in the camp of "stay and vote together to vote them out and take control back".

It's not realistic. Maybe in 2000 it was possible but it's just flat out wrong now and no one here should be thinking that way. It's not logical. We can never out vote or out maneuver the Dems who laugh in the face of SCOTUS rulings as they circumvent them. It's a lost cause. To come to that realization doesn't mean we don't care or aren't still willing to fight. It's not an " either or" argument. You can recognize and accept it and still fight it but being delusional that this state can be saved is just not realistic.

IMO I mean this completely sincerely. In my .02 cents I think The best possible outcome is red states get redder, and blue states get bluer. We get a divorce and break up the country as we know it into with regional "states" or make each state a self governing state as they were likely intended to be. We can still all have free trade agreements and a shared military and national border but let blue and red states completely govern themselves. I have no idea how difficult it would be but I think it's the best way to try to salvage what's left of our nation because I'm worried about the path it's on.

No never. I never thought voting solved anything at all in NYS. I’ve always voted but said the people I vote for never get elected and my vote doesn’t matter.
What I used to do and be some what successful at was pointing out the lefts lies on social media and having civil conversation with the lefties to have them see that the headline in the article didn’t match the article content or the facts don’t line up with their opinion and get them semi on our side. That stopped about two years ago so I deleted my accounts and gave up.

 

[Saltwater60]

If I recall correctly you used to be in the camp of "stay and vote together to vote them out and take control back".

It's not realistic. Maybe in 2000 it was possible but it's just flat out wrong now and no one here should be thinking that way. It's not logical. We can never out vote or out maneuver the Dems who laugh in the face of SCOTUS rulings as they circumvent them. It's a lost cause. To come to that realization doesn't mean we don't care or aren't still willing to fight. It's not an " either or" argument. You can recognize and accept it and still fight it but being delusional that this state can be saved is just not realistic.

IMO I mean this completely sincerely. In my .02 cents I think The best possible outcome is red states get redder, and blue states get bluer. We get a divorce and break up the country as we know it into with regional "states" or make each state a self governing state as they were likely intended to be. We can still all have free trade agreements and a shared military and national border but let blue and red states completely govern themselves. I have no idea how difficult it would be but I think it's the best way to try to salvage what's left of our nation because I'm worried about the path it's on.

I agree and I’ve said the same thing about breaking up the USA into certain voting or governing blocks.

 

[Saltwater60]

yeahhhh, you guys are right. There is no point in helping our neighbors fight the tyrants.

Thanks for the conversations anyway guys. I read into it what i pretty much already knew.

We, "the gun culture", were never united anyway, and we never will be.

Take care, all.

Show me a group this large that is United in everything? Even the gun grabbers disagree like we do. You’ll never have unity.
Ok so I stay in NYS and fight this and lose so what good did I do? Or I can move to a swing state and my vote/opinion might actually matter. What sounds better to you?
I maybe see what your point is but since you didn’t actually elaborate on anything and just kept repeating your original claims that maybe the liberals take control of the house and senate and pass NYS rules federally? Maybe that could happen but again explain to me how staying in NYS right now will change NYS from blue to purple to red?

 

[Saltwater60]

So, i see you can talk alot about the problems, but where are your solutions that actually fix the problems.

I vote
I take new shooters out
I donate to gun rights groups for lawsuits
I talk facts with liberals about guns to try to make them see the truth. I have cut back on this because it’s been less effective and red flag laws.
I pointlessly write my representatives.
I have not heard much direction from you other than stay and fight in NYS. I’ve asked for my background info on why you think this is or will be effective yet you’ve ignored that. I’m not looking to fight with you on this or anything we just have a different view on this subject and yes we can still work together to advance our cause even though we don’t agree here.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I vote
I take new shooters out
I donate to gun rights groups for lawsuits
I talk facts with liberals about guns to try to make them see the truth. I have cut back on this because it’s been less effective and red flag laws.
I pointlessly write my representatives.
I have not heard much direction from you other than stay and fight in NYS. I’ve asked for my background info on why you think this is or will be effective yet you’ve ignored that. I’m not looking to fight with you on this or anything we just have a different view on this subject and yes we can still work together to advance our cause even though we don’t agree here.

Well good! I`m glad you ARE doing all that. I`ve been doing most of all that probably longer than you`ve been alive. I agree, you an i differ on opinion on some things, which is fine, and i see no reason to fight with you, either. We`re all supposed to fight the evils together even though opinions can vary between people.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

We have literally said the exact opposite.

It is worth fighting but you're not being realistic. This state is a lost cause and it's plainly obvious.

Yeah, i hear ya.