FUAC Insults Our Intelligence

[minderasr]

So, there I was on Sunday, minding my own business, watching “White Collar” on TV, when I took a break to eat. While I am eating, I am listening to the news when I hear this: Our esteemed governor, the most powerful elected official in New York, a legend in his own mind, called on President Trump to bail out New Yorkers from the pending (actual if you ask the riders) crisis in the mass transit system, particularly Penn Station and the MTA...

Gov. Cuomo Insults Our Intelligence - Mahopac NY News - TAPinto

 

[Saltwater60]

Why should trump do that. Instead of cuomo spending my money stupidly to try to be the next president he should take care of infrastructure. Nope we offer free college. The roads suck you moron.

 

[dwa12479]

How about we let NYC pay for its own transit problems and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[masterswimmer]

Monkeyface can cry me a river. When he retracts his free college and gives up his sanctuary city status and wisely spends my tax dollars for appropriate expenditures only then can he ask for fed assistance.

 

[Grimscale]

"If I were Trump..."


Maybe we should start a thread with that title!


Anyway, if I were in Trump's shoes, I would deny all Federal monies to New York until such time as New York abides by the Constitution of the United States, and utilizes tax monies for their intended purpose.
No more freebies for illegals, no more wasted expenditures (like useless road signs - or Cuomo's salary), etc.
And if New York fails to send the required tithe to the Feds, the Feds should march into Albany and oust the lot of them!

 

[minderasr]

the Feds should march into Albany and oust the lot of them!

From your lips to Trump's ears. The Feds should do it anyway, simply for the amount of corruption emanating from that stink hole we call Albany.

 

[makinged]

How about we let NYC pay for its own transit problems and leave the rest of us alone.

Several reasons I disagree with that statement.
1. The MTA serves Downstate NY and all of Long Island (as well as residents from Connecticut and NJ) for daily work commutes, so it doesn't affect just NYC residents and taxes.
2. Around 43% of people who live in NYS live in NYC, so it's only fair that some of the money NYC residents pay to help the state helps us.
3. The NYS governor is directly in charge of the policies, projects, and budgetary restrictions on the MTA. In the last 6 years, he had the 2nd avenue subway line commissioned instead of paying for maintenance and system upgrades.


The governor can't just shuck his responsibility and hide behind excuses, superficial bills, and other politicians when this has been his responsibility over the last 6 years. The state has a direct responsibility towards the NYC transit system and to say NYC local taxes and government should be 100% liable is absurd. That being said, with Cuomo's 2017 65 million budget cut, the MTA is already being mostly paid for directly through NYC taxes and fares (~70%) and the deteriorating infrastructure is an added problem.

 

[makinged]

Oh and a note on the deteriorating infrastructure:

The deterioration includes:
- Train: breakdowns, derailments (on the LIRR), stabbings, overcrowdedness, overheating, sick passengers, "traffic".
- Failures: signals (HUGE PROBLEM), ConEd power loss.
- Broken: escalators, elevators, turnstyles, card machines (no bills, unresponsive interfaces, out of order), train doors.
- Track: suicides, flooding, garbage fires, construction reroutes.
- Misc: Confusing to find alternative routes, price hikes, bums.

I challenge Cuomo to take the subway during Rush Hour (like everyone else), from one borough to another and have a pleasant commute. He seems pretty out of touch.

To others, I wonder if I can make this a bingo game. Though I guess it'd be hard to play standing shoulder to shoulder, in the heat while being delayed for 20 minutes by a sick passenger/signal malfunction/suicide. But I might just get Bingo.

*Note: While all these issues happen, some are really common and some are pretty rare so it comes off as a bit of an exaggeration when listed like this.

 

[MothMan]

Man am I glad I don't ride MTA trains!!

 

[S&W Fan]

FUAC is himself an insult to intelligence

 

[Criticalt]

Man am I glad I don't ride MTA trains!!

Man am I glad I live 400 miles from that stink hole NYC.
On some hot windy days we can smell it though, I swear.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Maybe he'll also ask for more "police" as he's funneling more State police into NYC....The prez should give him zip until he repeals laws that only affect law abiding citizens. MTA issues...I'll be like everyone else....let it fall apart...doesn't affect me.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It's why liberal progressivism and socialism is a disease.

He whores out OUR MONEY giving everyone free college to buy himself voted then crys a river because he already blew his budget and can't pay bills on things the state actually needs and just expects more money to be given to him, and to hell with where it comes from, who pays for it or how he gets it.

This is Everything that is wrong with current politics.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Just free college ?? How about all the free aid for immigrants...free legal aid for illegals....free drug shooting rooms....

 

[dwa12479]

Several reasons I disagree with that statement.
1. The MTA serves Downstate NY and all of Long Island (as well as residents from Connecticut and NJ) for daily work commutes, so it doesn't affect just NYC residents and taxes.
2. Around 43% of people who live in NYS live in NYC, so it's only fair that some of the money NYC residents pay to help the state helps us.
3. The NYS governor is directly in charge of the policies, projects, and budgetary restrictions on the MTA. In the last 6 years, he had the 2nd avenue subway line commissioned instead of paying for maintenance and system upgrades.


The governor can't just shuck his responsibility and hide behind excuses, superficial bills, and other politicians when this has been his responsibility over the last 6 years. The state has a direct responsibility towards the NYC transit system and to say NYC local taxes and government should be 100% liable is absurd. That being said, with Cuomo's 2017 65 million budget cut, the MTA is already being mostly paid for directly through NYC taxes and fares (~70%) and the deteriorating infrastructure is an added problem.

He's asking Trump and the Feds to bail out the MTA. And every time I ride the MTA, I always pay a fare, just like everyone else. If the MTA needs more cash, let them raise their fares. I'm just so tired of the BS that spews out of the city that affects all the rest of us (read: SAFE Act) I'd love to cut downstate off and let them be the 51st state, and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[Uzi]

I think what really pissed me off earlier this year was the something like 4.3 million spent with tax money on "I love NY" signs. What a stupid asshole he is!

 

[GOPerfect]

Cut the pay and raise the rates to ride. Seems pretty simple. I have never used public transport and I never will. I will never ride the system in NYC, call me what you will, I just don't care. they have severely broken their mass transit system, let them fix it!

 

[Bigfoot]

FUAC!!! and FUNYC!!! too.

Upstates two biggest problems IMO.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Cut the pay and raise the rates to ride. Seems pretty simple. I have never used public transport and I never will. I will never ride the system in NYC, call me what you will, I just don't care. they have severely broken their mass transit system, let them fix it!

They should do the same in your department. Yea. Just cut the pay. Great idea. It doesn't affect me. I have never been to Buffalo and never will.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And for the record, the MTA isn't just NYC.

 

[GOPerfect]

They should do the same in your department. Yea. Just cut the pay. Great idea. It doesn't affect me. I have never been to Buffalo and never will.

And for the record, the MTA isn't just NYC.

For the record, I pay all kinds of attention all around the State when it comes to my money. I know all the different places that this money pit operates. I also know that the majority of employees are seriously over paid. If you do not think so, than you have zero clue of their rates of pay for the work performed.

The rates for travel is too low as well. Wow, a whopping $121 per month to ride as much as one wants. That should be more than doubled, maybe even tripled. I spend way more than that is gas to and from work. If this program can not sustain alone, maybe they should close down.

This system has been broken for a very long time, if we as tax payers continue to bail them out year after year after year, they will continue to stay broken and mismanaged!

 

[makinged]

You guys are hypocrites. The transit is in dire need of upgrades, we already pay the STATE TAX, why shouldn't it be used to help the system.

Increasing the fare seems like an easy solution- but everyone is commuting. Rent is becoming an increasing burden, and wages are stagnant. People can hardly afford the price hikes and the subway was founded on the basis that it's cheap for everyone. They've gotten rid of a lot of the programs that used to exist before. Apparently it was completely free on Sundays at one point.

Cuomo (and the city) did a terrible job managing the subway these last recent years (though it's been in a deficit for a while now...). Asking the federal government for a bailout is a bit ridiculous (I do not think we are up to that point yet, and he's still hiding via politics and not doing his job...).


I kind of regret posting here. I didn't realize this place was meant to be a circle jerk thread.

 

[spat]

Man am I glad I live 400 miles from that stink hole NYC.
On some hot windy days we can smell it though, I swear.

They're probably shipping garbage past to a landfill, you might literally smell their stink.

Not only do we supply all their food, water, and power, we also house all their criminals and dispose of their garbage.

What is it we get from them again ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

For the record, I pay all kinds of attention all around the State when it comes to my money. I know all the different places that this money pit operates. I also know that the majority of employees are seriously over paid. If you do not think so, than you have zero clue of their rates of pay for the work performed.

The rates for travel is too low as well. Wow, a whopping $121 per month to ride as much as one wants. That should be more than doubled, maybe even tripled. I spend way more than that is gas to and from work. If this program can not sustain alone, maybe they should close down.

This system has been broken for a very long time, if we as tax payers continue to bail them out year after year after year, they will continue to stay broken and mismanaged!

I agree that money is being mismanaged. There is no argument from me. What I disagree with is the whole argument that it doesn't affect you so it can be left to crash or the whole cut the worker's salaries as if that would solve the problem. They are underpaid as it is and their whole salaries alone wouldn't even put a dent in it.

The MTA isn't just NYC. That 100 dollar monthly fare you quoted is just for the subway. The MTA is more then just the subway and services commuters from NJ, CT, and several NY counties going to various places in this state that are impossible to drive to. My monthly fare from my stop alone is 475 dollars or 28 dollars one way. Further up the line is more in excess of 525 dollars.

You shut down those train lines, ferries, and buses and the whole country comes to a halt financially. As much as we all hate NYC, shutting it down causes the country to lose millions of dollars per day.

 

[MothMan]

I kind of regret posting here. I didn't realize this place was meant to be a circle jerk thread.

Being the pivot OP of that circle can be a real bitch!!

 

[VietnamEraVet]

You guys are hypocrites. The transit is in dire need of upgrades, we already pay the STATE TAX, why shouldn't it be used to help the system.

Increasing the fare seems like an easy solution- but everyone is commuting. Rent is becoming an increasing burden, and wages are stagnant. People can hardly afford the price hikes and the subway was founded on the basis that it's cheap for everyone. They've gotten rid of a lot of the programs that used to exist before. Apparently it was completely free on Sundays at one point.

Cuomo (and the city) did a terrible job managing the subway these last recent years (though it's been in a deficit for a while now...). Asking the federal government for a bailout is a bit ridiculous (I do not think we are up to that point yet, and he's still hiding via politics and not doing his job...).


I kind of regret posting here. I didn't realize this place was meant to be a circle jerk thread.

NYC is a shit hole. They need to raise the fares to pay for these problems.

Oh, and one more thing,... now that FUAC has mandated the increases in the minimum wage, they can afford to pay higher fares.

 

[Criticalt]

You guys are hypocrites. The transit is in dire need of upgrades, we already pay the STATE TAX, why shouldn't it be used to help the system.

Increasing the fare seems like an easy solution- but everyone is commuting. Rent is becoming an increasing burden, and wages are stagnant. People can hardly afford the price hikes and the subway was founded on the basis that it's cheap for everyone. They've gotten rid of a lot of the programs that used to exist before. Apparently it was completely free on Sundays at one point.

Cuomo (and the city) did a terrible job managing the subway these last recent years (though it's been in a deficit for a while now...). Asking the federal government for a bailout is a bit ridiculous (I do not think we are up to that point yet, and he's still hiding via politics and not doing his job...).


I kind of regret posting here. I didn't realize this place was meant to be a circle jerk thread.

Fucking waaaaaa
Ive been to your precious NYC many times, never again.
People that have never been kniw the city from television. Thats not the NYC Ive seen.
The stench of garbage, beggers everywhere, cars on blocks, drug addicts everywhere and EVERYONE is in welfare!!
Ive been told by many that NYC used to be a great city,
a proud city. Now its a cesspool of handouts.
Come west my friend.
Around here single mothers working at Walmart have nice apartments and cars. You dont have the filth or the crime, no homeless and its safe.
I know of half a dozen people from around here that moved to "the city" when they were younger.
ALL of them came back saying it was NOT what promised by its reputation.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I agree that money is being mismanaged. There is no argument from me. What I disagree with is the whole argument that it doesn't affect you so it can be left to crash or the whole cut the worker's salaries as if that would solve the problem. They are underpaid as it is and their whole salaries alone wouldn't even put a dent in it.

The MTA isn't just NYC. That 100 dollar monthly fare you quoted is just for the subway. The MTA is more then just the subway and services commuters from NJ, CT, and several NY counties going to various places in this state that are impossible to drive to. My monthly fare from my stop alone is 475 dollars or 28 dollars one way. Further up the line is more in excess of 525 dollars.

You shut down those train lines, ferries, and buses and the whole country comes to a halt financially. As much as we all hate NYC, shutting it down causes the country to lose millions of dollars per day.

Will,

I was thinking a bit further re your comment on public transit costs re into and out of NYC, and while I am not going online to do a bunch of research before work today, a few things come to mind.

First, the wages in NYC are much higher there than in upstate. So, it seems like if you want to go there for that, you need to deal with the costs associated with them.

Take those of us who live here, and cannot rely on public transit to get to work. Consider an average 20 mile commute each way when working and parking in downtown Buffalo. Paying for a vehicle, along with maintenance, insurance, tolls, etc.,- and not even including parking, and using the IRS reimbursement rate as a guide (around $0.55 or $0.60/ mile), a typical commuter is spending $22.00/day plus parking which can easily run $5-10/day, or $27-32/ per day overall.

So, to me, and not knowing how far your commute is, the $475/month (about $24/day) seems cheap if you look at the likely disparity in wages...

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Eh. I wouldn't lose any sleep if I couldn't take a train into NYC. Or a bus, car, motorcycle, boat, plane, helicopter, submarine, bike, skateboard, roller blades, unicycle, pogo stick etc.