Future anti gun laws

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So I've been thinking.

I've been sitting back and obeserving things since Vegas, southerland springs and parkland. (no one really cares or even talks about southerland springs because it doesn't fit their agenda because it was a bunch of Christians being slaughtered and the killer was stopped by a good guy with a gun, but I'm including it anyway)

I have seen a very loud and obnoxious shift in the "perceived" attitudes of avg. Joe american. The media is absolutely cheerleading and driving the direction of where this non-debate (demands) are heading.

Unfortunately the socialist left is just behaving like children(because they are being led by children) are are ignoring logic and reality and just shouting down the opposition like a spoiled brat would do.

Where this gets dangerous IMO is that most Americans have the critical thinking skills and long term memory of a goldfish. So if enough of these asshole hang around and keep spewing garbage long ebough, e oygh people will pay attention. Its almost impossible not to because the media is whoring out bad to push this agenda at every turn.

It gets dangerous because it's already getting corporate support. There are already corporations giving support, monetary donations, transportation etc. Because it fits their agenda and they want to be PC and they "perceive" it as being "what people want" so they try to gain favor and good publicity...


Now extrapolate that same mentality to our elected officials. Our politicians suck. 98% would sell us and America out in a second to save their careers if it came to it.

All these "kids" in high school now will be the next big wave of voters in 2020. They are all being indoctrinated and lies to. There is a coordinated effort to change the national narrative and shame gun owners or those who sympathize with the 2a and our constitution.

I can see cuck politicians happily going along with the narrative and trying to show "reasonable common sense" to win favor with voters or donors.

They will deceitfully claim they like guns too, and are pro 2a, but no one needs these weapons of war on the street and we can't jeopardize the safety of the children .

I think there will be a series of new legislations at state levels similar to NYunsafe and perhaps NY will use this opportunity to roll out UNsafe2.0. As far As FUAC is concerns it would be a nice feather in his cap that if he runs for President in 2020 for him to say his state, he is personally responsible for the toughest gun laws in the country.

I think we are in serious trouble if the socialists win back the house or Senate in 2018 or 2020.

And we all better damn well hope for many reasons (the loss of lives and rights) that there are no more horrific shootings for a long time.


I'm worried and concerned. I think there are more pieces of restrictive legislation being written, I'm not so sure this will just blow over and go away.

What do you guys think?

 

[Catskillkid]

I've been thinking about the very same things a lot lately. And mark my words, the legislation has been written and they're just waiting for an opportunity to present it (Never let a good crisis go to waste...the SAFE Act was prepared months if not years in advance and just waiting on the shelf for the right time). Say what you will about it, but the only thing keeping our gun rights safe or at least status quo is the NRA (think about that for a minute considering how much the NRA tends to roll over on hard fights).

The past several generations of kids have been indoctrinated by communist public educators at all levels of education (K-12 and college) to believe all the liberal lies and BS (guns are bad, capitalism is bad, diversity for diversity's sake is good, America is a racist, sexist, xenophobic nation that needs to be destroyed or fundamentally altered, and heterosexual white men are the most evil people in the world and need to die) and the kids are buying it all hook line and sinker. Zero critical thinking is taught or allowed. Basically whoever shouts the loudest, has the catchiest slogan or acts the most "woke" is the one who gets their way. Facts are discarded offhand. Emotions and knee jerk reactions are the rule of the day. And one political party (Democrats) is openly hostile to the Constitution and our traditional values and the other (Republicans) just take baby steps in that direction. "Things fall apart; the center cannot hold" as W.B. Yeats wrote. This is the Apocalypse (for all freedom loving people, not just gun owners) if I ever saw one.

In the near term (by mid-term elections) unless the narrative radically changes I expect to see this as far as gun laws go on the Federal level:

1) An assault weapons ban similar to what we saw in the 1990s though this time it will be permanent with no sunset provision. Some states may go the way of CA or NY and opt for stricter standards.
2) Ban on bump stocks and similar devices
3) Ban on "high capacity" magazines. Basically limit people to 10 round or 5 round mags for rifles.
4) Universal background checks (e.g. no private sales without one)

Over the longer term (next 10-20 years, maybe sooner) I see:

1) Raise the purchase age for all firearms (long and handgun) to 21 (some states may go older)
2) Mandatory waiting periods before you can take position, even with a good background check
3) Handgun licensing schemes and procedures similar to what we have in NY
4) $1,000,000 insurance policies that all gun owners have to carry. There will be variability on how much with "assault weapons"costing the most to insure, followed by handguns, followed by manual action long guns (throw the Fudds a bone to say "look...we're protecting sportsmen rights!" like that was what the 2nd Amendment was all about)
5) Exorbitant taxes on purchase of all guns and ammo
6) Ammo possession restrictions (no more hoarding of ammo)
7) Ban or severe restrictions on reloading and reloading components
8) Microstamping
9) Firearm Owner ID cards
9) Snitch lines with cash rewards
10) Loss of rights and guns without possibility of getting them restored if you take certain medications, see certain doctors, or have an accusation (real or unfounded) made against you

We already have some of these right now. They'll likely start at the state level (like NY or CA) but will trickle up to the Federal level. Sure there may be some holdout red states where you can hide out for a while but in the long term don't doubt that it's coming everywhere in this once great nation. If you tie Federal dollars to these pieces of legislation even the most pro-gun places will fold. Not immediately, but by the end of the century the US will have gun laws similar or perhaps stricter than Australia or England. And the 2nd Amendment will still technically be on the books.

I don't have to tell you or anyone else on this site this but the 2nd Amendment is the linchpin that protects all the other rights. Once it's essentially abolished and all the people are sufficiently brainwashed and amassed into mega cities (Agenda 21...folks in urban areas are easier to control) then we'll start seeing seizures of property, concentration camps (reeducation camps) restored and the whole sale blood letting by those in power who still kept their guns. And there won't be a damn thing to do about it. Hell, most people by that time will likely willingly go the slaughter. Less people is better for the planet and all.

Things fall apart; The center cannot hold

I'm sorry if I seem so pessimistic. But this is the way I see this country heading: into tight social control, depression and authoritarianism. Not with a bang or even with a whimper, but with thunderous applause.

 

[togmaster]

Yup. We're fucked.

The rest of the country more so than NY because we've already been butt raped.

 

[Jmac00]

this is a cultural war and WE ARE LOSING! the indoctrination has been going on for 40 years. We are way behind the curve.

Our only hope is that apathy takes hold of these kids and they get lazy and don't go to the polls

 

[Criticalt]

Start paying attention to some of the alternative media who go to collages and universities to do shows. Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Milo, Fleccas........
Its not quite as dire as the MSM says.
Its bad, but not lost.
Its amazing that no one knows that UC Berkley has a growing republican presence at the school.
The MSM will NOT let you know that.
How about this, at alot of these schools in the news, the far left liberals are a minority.
Sure, most professors are trying to convert everyone to liberal but there is a large resistance.

 

[Steal2B]

Who really knows. The world order monsters, progressive socialists, hollywood and MSM have placed most of their chips on the table but their choices as the face of this siege are some of the most entitled, arrogant, obnixious, egotistical, and misinformed, spoiled spokesbrats that could ever be conceived. Constantly thrusting this vile image to shame the masses could well backfire. In any case the media is overstating the public groundswell like they did with Hillary. My concern is not swaying the opinion of "joe and josephine public" from the redlands, but convincing the elected whores that their political future depends imposing tyranny on the once free.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I can understand the pessimism. As I have stated in another thread, I feel like there has been a pivot with the anti's towards the argument of morality and that makes me nervous because it is potentially dangerous and could push things to a very bad place. That being said, it's always darkest before the dawn. Try not to let the very loud screaming of the melting snow flakes and puffed up ideologues in the MSM and Hollywood fool you. If they have shifted to pushing the whole morality angle and are refusing to enter into logical debate, then they must have nothing to really stand on. Trying to shame people out of very dearly held rights by being loud, obnoxious and attempting to control the argument by being closed off will eventually run into people who won't stand for it. Empty containers make the loudest drums. Yes laws may get passed, but I believe if they are bad enough, they will be widely if not roundly ignored. I know the fear of registration and confiscation are real, but having had a chat with a (younger, in his 20's) friend in the active duty military, I don't think the military or LEO's will be going door to door. This is a huge country and there just isn't enough manpower to do it.
With every shooting I have witnessed a back and forth, push/pull as far as who has the upper hand between pro gun and anti gun. While yes, this time it seems worse to me. I think it may just be the shift I mentioned. What we haven't really seen yet is the push back from the pro gun side, but the lack of it at this moment is in no way a sign that we are beaten. The stakes just got a lot higher, sure, but we still have the Bill of Rights and the Constitution on our side. We still have a silent majority in my opinion. We are still ARMED. I don't for one minute believe the NICS numbers only represent sales from people who already owned guns or that the growing number of people joining the NRA or other gun orgs isn't an actual piece of empirical data showing the real pulse of the country . More and more people are arming.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Problem is they are appealing to emotion, to the undecideds and the uninterested, and the subject is weapons.

When we appeal to logic and reason, we lose because they appeal to emotion.

When we appeal to emotion we appear to be extreme and "scary."

I don't know what the solution is but if NRA is going to be the public face of our side they should probably do some thinking about how and what the narrative should look like. My $0.02

 

[Dr. Evil]

I do my best to have hope. I do believe that the left can get so greedy and become a caricature of themselves to the point where it will start to have diminishing returns. It may be a rough ride along the way but I do think that calm minds will prevail over the emotional rhetoric and they will be the root of their own demise. If not, we're fucked.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Problem is they are appealing to emotion, to the undecideds and the uninterested, and the subject is weapons.

When we appeal to logic and reason, we lose because they appeal to emotion.

When we appeal to emotion we appear to be extreme and "scary."

I don't know what the solution is but if NRA is going to be the public face of our side they should probably do some thinking about how and what the narrative should look like. My $0.02

One thing that I find disappointing is that the NRA hasn't used the anti's tactics against them. I don't understand why we can't use emotion backed up by logic to counter and control the narrative. I don't think I've heard anyone in the NRA pose the question of why the left sees it as less grotesque to let someone come into a school and shoot helpless kids and teachers than it would be to have an armed security presence. I feel like they are constantly staying on the defensive with the good guy with a gun thing instead of flipping it around on the left. I would also add on to that, that while the left may have talking points that appeal to emotion and may seem like the moral high ground, asking the question of why this or why that would trip them up just as easily. For instance, why do you want schools to remain vulnerable to people that would do this? Or why do you feel that these instances are representative of all gun owners? If it's all emotion and no logic then they will not be able to answer these types of questions. It would take the wind right out of their sails and put them on the defensive. WE need to be asking them more questions that THEY need to be answering.

 

[E the massive]

May I suggest an edit for a fourth option? Molon Labe.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

May I suggest an edit for a fourth option? Molon Labe.

If I make a 2nd poll "how will you respond to further anti gun legislation" that will be a choice

 

[ProgSpear]

May I suggest an edit for a fourth option? Molon Labe. BFYTW!

May I suggest an edit to your edit?

 

[E the massive]

May I suggest an edit to your edit?

Sure, if you tell me what it means.

 

[ProgSpear]

Sure, if you tell me what it means.

Because Fuck You That's Why!
I stole it from @prambo.

 

[prambo]

Because Fuck You That's Why!
I stole it from @prambo.

And I stole it from WRSA.

 

[Cooolone]

Can't believe how many are biting the bait set by the agenda...

These same kids a few weeks ago, deemed non responsible enough to own firearms until 21yrs of age, are now supposedly entrusted with the future at 16-18yrs of age. Let's figure in the 30+% that Won't graduate, and the 60+% of eligible voters, including young voters, who DO NOT VOTE! Of course, all the screaming kool-aid drinkers are dismissing the percentage of HS students that actually like guns, etc. So when these kids meet the real world and they're struggling that daily struggle for existence, you think this is going to remain as a primary driver of their existence? LMAO... By September, and when the snapchat opportunities fade, it will all wane! The tree hugging criminal migrant coddling kool-aid drinkers want everyone to believe otherwise. See, they've identified that in order to get what they want, they need to indoctrinate a fresh set of voters that haven't been disenfranchised yet, hence, enter the young - yet to vote - voters! They're trying so hard to upset the balance, the agenda has gone to the education system to indoctrinate a fresh breed. I'm not worried about a thing, come what may, it will all backfire! The mind melders started calling this weekend revolutionary... Laughable, because in order for it to be a revolution, something has to change, and nothing has changed yet... They're jumping to gun again (pun intended) just like the presidential election with allng Clinton the winner before it was over.

Will liberal strongholds try to tighten things up, of course... Will and unrecoverable movement be made towards eliminating the 2nd Amendment... Not a chance! Let these assholes keep focusing on the NRA, is amusing... Because they keep dismissing the other 120,000,000+ citizens who own firearms! Is an awesome miscalculation! I love how they're trying to spin the Republican agenda that pretty much put all politicians on point, vote with us, or we vote against you... Seems scary for those lifelong politicians, but isn't for voters. Just keep poking the beast, the deplorables will show up at the polls again, not to worry!

 

[Truebeliever]

I think the emotional argument should be:

You are taking away the ability to defend my family.