Genius New way to make NY Legal AR15 / M4 NY Compliant (Tier 5 MBC)

[zzrguy]

is his shop open. I stop try to stop in cause he had some weird hours.

 

[prambo]

Looks interesting.

But, I imagine it's illegal because......NYS.

 

[Marine Cpl]

then you need your eyes checked.

My 17 Remington AR has no gas system is it a Semi auto? No, if I Put a full auto lower on it I would have a machine gun according to the ATF. That is why it is apples and oranges. The trigger, sear, and disconnector is what is considered the difference for Full Auto or machine gun.

M16 select fire lower = Machine gun
AR lower =/= Semi auto


The Brits have a version of an AR that is an intrupted semi auto it is legal for for them to own even though civilians are not allowed to own semi auto rifles. Their mechanism is much different though. It is a lever that replaces the safety switch and it cannot be disabled by holding it down. The bolt hold open as described in the OP would not have passed muster in the UK because you can defeat it by holding it down. The U.K. Is almost as oppressive as NY is.

The mechanism in the OP is a mechanical interruption of the firing and self loading sequence, it makes the system no longer semi automatic therefore it should not meet the legal definition of an assault weapon if it was configured with a pistol grip. However, a DA will argue that it can easily be defeated and does not pass muster in the spirit of the law. That was the main reason I did not Persuit this mechanism 2 years ago.

We have already witnessed break = brake in the spirit of the law in the PRNY.

Say you put a bump fire stock on your semi auto fixed mag, did you make a machine gun?
No you didn't because it still locks and the trigger has to be depressed to make it fire again.

You can't go by what works on England. What's the Brit definition of Semi automatic? That's all that matters in regards to their version of the bolt stop being legal. They have their definition and we have ours.

Regardless, I still think this bolt stop doesn't make a semi automatic not semi automatic.

Question. If you buy magazines that only hold one round, is the rifle no longer semi automatic?

 

[dsdmmat]

You can't go by what works on England. What's the Brit definition of Semi automatic? That's all that matters in regards to their version of the bolt stop being legal. They have their definition and we have ours.

Regardless, I still think this bolt stop doesn't make a semi automatic not semi automatic.

Question. If you buy magazines that only hold one round, is the rifle no longer semi automatic?

If you read the whole thing you see I wasn't making that argument.

Yes the rifle is still semi automatic. If you have one in the chamber and one in the mag it would still complete the loading sequence for the second round. My Bob sled does not hold any rounds it will hold the bolt open after every firing because it is empty. If I switch the mags it will operate as a semi. The thing the op is about will not allow a second round to be loaded without some action by the operator, therefore it is not an auto loading rifle and not semi automatic. The modified piece is part of the rifle not an accessory.

 

[Acer-m14]

for 10 dollars I'll tell you how to remove the gas tube and make it a single shot ... works just like a bolt action ...

 

[Uzi]

Dropping in an auto sear on your AR makes it a machine gun period by federal definition. That part is regulated. If you installed a bolt release lock on a legal full auto gun, you still have a full auto gun that just doesn't function properly, that's what you have. No different than owning an illegal sub gun and taking the firing pin out; it's still an illegal machine gun whether or not it's functioning properly. Some full auto use components are okay to have without regulation, some full auto parts are not okay to have on the gun even if it's not able to fire full auto.

 

[Acer-m14]

i think the OP went single shot .. where did we go full auto ... ?? just making a dot on the lower where to drill for the pin is not good by law ...
most know that ... i hope ..

 

[spat]

This really is a gray area. It would be great if someone got a ruling by the ATF.

Which would mean little in N.Y., since most of our laws don't follow the ATF definitions. IF they did, all your guns would need to be on your permit, since the ATF considers them all firearms, and N.Y. says all firearms need a permit.



ATF doesn't care what features you put on your semi, so their definition of a semi is irrelevant.

 

[HiMom47]

for 10 dollars I'll tell you how to remove the gas tube and make it a single shot ... works just like a bolt action ...

Then you would have too pull back the charging handle every shot and lose your position and cheek weld

 

[dsdmmat]

Then you would have too pull back the charging handle every shot and lose your position and cheek weld

Not if you use a side charging upper. I have built several straight pull bolt action ARs, one in 17 Remington and two in 5.56 am in the process of putting one together in 300 BLK. Side charging uppers like the ones from white oak armory are the way to go.

 

[dsdmmat]

i think the OP went single shot .. where did we go full auto ... ?? just making a dot on the lower where to drill for the pin is not good by law ...
most know that ... i hope ..

Well you know @Willjr75 cannot stay on topic too long.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well you know @Willjr75 cannot stay on topic too long.

 

[dsdmmat]

 

[Glenn B]

I think I simply will stick with my Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle and not have to worry about all of this.

I will say though, that in a fair court, I think this device probably would be found to make the gun a single shot repeater as opposed to semi-auto. Then again, we live in NY so where would one find a fair court?

 

[Clipazine]

Good fuckin' gawd.

 

[BuellSix8]

Very interesting idea. Simple yet effective just again.... legality. What FFLs on here would sell it and or install it in their units to sell?

 

[Saltwater60]

I don't like the idea one bit. Why not just do something else. The fixed mags are an option that I have and frankly does not bother me. It's easy to load. Sure I'd love 30 rounds. Also where would the wear be on the bolt or this thing. Is it good for the gun?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't like the idea one bit. Why not just do something else. The fixed mags are an option that I have and frankly does not bother me. It's easy to load. Sure I'd love 30 rounds. Also where would the wear be on the bolt or this thing. Is it good for the gun?

If reliability is a concern for you, then why fix the magazine? You'd never be able to clear malfunctions that way.

At least with this you can reload, fix malfunctions, and actually lay down more fire if using for home defense.

 

[Saltwater60]

If reliability is a concern for you, then why fix the magazine? You'd never be able to clear malfunctions that way.

At least with this you can reload, fix malfunctions, and actually lay down more fire if using for home defense.

I can and always have the tools to remove the mag if it's jammed that bad. Of course I'd have to remove the epoxy first, but I put some plumbers putty in the screw hole first.

Also I was not making a statement I was asking a question and wear and tear on the bolt. What would wear the bolt or the new bolt catch I guess you'd call it. With the new bolt catch stopping every round there would be more wear I'd imagine.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I can and always have the tools to remove the mag if it's jammed that bad. Of course I'd have to remove the epoxy first, but I put some plumbers putty in the screw hole first.

Also I was not making a statement I was asking a question and wear and tear on the bolt. What would wear the bolt or the new bolt catch I guess you'd call it. With the new bolt catch stopping every round there would be more wear I'd imagine.

Ok. Point taken. As far as the bolt and catch, those are easily replaceable parts. One can save the original bolt catch and bolt and get this device plus another bolt if wear is a concern.

I still don't believe this makes a semi auto legal though but if it was or is legal, I believe this to be a better option for those that like looks or can't deal with a traditional rifle grip if they put in a Thordsen.

 

[Marine Cpl]

@freddy

 

[Marine Cpl]

Again, if you use a bobsled on your AR, when you load the one round, it'll fire, extract the round, and hold the bolt open. Is the rifle no longer semi automatic because the bolt is held back and you have to insert another round into the chamber and press the bolt release?

Yes it is. The bolt being locked back doesn't make it no longer semiautomatic in that case. This contraption is no different.

 

[dsdmmat]

Again, if you use a bobsled on your AR, when you load the one round, it'll fire, extract the round, and hold the bolt open. Is the rifle no longer semi automatic because the bolt is held back and you have to insert another round into the chamber and press the bolt release?

Yes it is. The bolt being locked back doesn't make it no longer semiautomatic in that case. This contraption is no different.

If the Bob sled is locked into place (fixed magazine) you have a point. If it is not then it is apples and oranges.

 

[pmcjuryny]

Again, if you use a bobsled on your AR, when you load the one round, it'll fire, extract the round, and hold the bolt open. Is the rifle no longer semi automatic because the bolt is held back and you have to insert another round into the chamber and press the bolt release?

Yes it is. The bolt being locked back doesn't make it no longer semiautomatic in that case. This contraption is no different.

Given that the bob sled replaces the magazine, which is not part of the rifle vs this that replaces apart of the actual rifle, I don't think your comparison holds up

 

[Marine Cpl]

Given that the bob sled replaces the magazine, which is not part of the rifle vs this that replaces apart of the actual rifle, I don't think your comparison holds up

I see your point.

 

[nortatoga]

Would this not be better option? Or the Mossberg MVP.

 

[nortatoga]

Or the Howa Axiom ? I have one in 308 without the detachable mag option.

 

[meketrefe]

Not legal sorry!

With the bolt catch pressed continues to be a semiauto.

Also with milder ammo it might occur the case that the rifle shortstrokes slightly enough to eject and reload a new round but
not to reach the stop so in this case will not stop and one might fire all magazine w/o a last round bolt open. PMC bronze is one of those ammos that can cause that condition because
on average is 300fps slower than the standard M193 from federal.

 

[freddy]

Not legal sorry!

With the lever moved it continues to be a semiauto.

 

[freddy]

Not legal sorry!

With the bolt cycled it continues to be a semiauto.