Getting restrictions lifted in Erie

[Depick]

So It's been two years with my permit and I'd like to upgrade it. I've got the paper work printed out and started filling it out. Any body have any advice? My main reasoning is to be able to carry from time to time when I'm working. Im an electrician and mainly work solo and in some of the "tougher" areas of Buffalo and have quite a variety of expensive tools and materials with me and I just want to protect my livelihood. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

 

[Jem45472]

Don't think you'll have any problems. I know of several people who had their restrictions lifted after 2 years. Erie county seems to be giving out more unrestricted permits now than any other time I remember.

 

[Bananabandit]

You can always buy more tools. Cant bring back a scumbag. Denied.

 

[Depick]

You can always buy more tools. Cant bring back a scumbag. Denied.

Thats the result I'm foreseeing but gonna try anyway.

 

[Deplorable Me]

You're probably in good shape with the current (long term) pistol permit admin crew in Erie. By the time I applied for mine I had taken the full NRA pistol permit course including the live fire portion. Mine took about 5 months to process. Will Fowler is retiring (director), that should not affect processing. Alan is the #2 person in the office, he really knows the Erie process. Boller the judge is 100% RKBA but firm, detailed and honest. Everyone is scrutinized well but not dicked around like some of the downstate counties.

The application form is on-line at the EC permit web site.

Keep your application honest and concise.

FWIW I believe you can submit the application on Wednesdays at the Cheektowaga town hall (basement). Alan (see above) is usually one of two people manning the outpost. He gives it the once over and would flag any problems thus allowing corrections/revisions.

I don't believe the permit upgrade goes to Albany for NYSP or to the FBI since you already have a valid permit. They do a background check but probably by EC Sheriff's dept. via computer. I know they don't go back to your original permit references, most of mine are dead.

5 months sucks, the permit office is really backlogged including adding an additional investigative sheriff and a clerk. (Backlog is really increasing). My wife applied for an original full carry permit (business owner) it's been in the mill for 18 months now. My son applied for a hunting-target restricted permit and they called his references within 3 months. Several other hunting-target applications I know are moving faster than my wife's full carry application.

I attend the monthly Erie SCOPE meetings. Alan mentioned above, is a guest speaker once or twice a year. Several of the SCOPE people are friendly with Alan and get regular updates on the Erie process backlog and the admin problems they encounter. Alan is a GLOCK fan.

Nobody likes the delays, but we're not Westchester.

 

[Depick]

You're probably in good shape with the current (long term) pistol permit admin crew in Erie. By the time I applied for mine I had taken the full NRA pistol permit course including the live fire portion. Mine took about 5 months to process. Will Fowler is retiring (director), that should not affect processing. Alan is the #2 person in the office, he really knows the Erie process. Boller the judge is 100% RKBA but firm, detailed and honest. Everyone is scrutinized well but not dicked around like some of the downstate counties.

The application form is on-line at the EC permit web site.

Keep your application honest and concise.

FWIW I believe you can submit the application on Wednesdays at the Cheektowaga town hall (basement). Alan (see above) is usually one of two people manning the outpost. He gives it the once over and would flag any problems thus allowing corrections/revisions.

I don't believe the permit upgrade goes to Albany for NYSP or to the FBI since you already have a valid permit. They do a background check but probably by EC Sheriff's dept. via computer. I know they don't go back to your original permit references, most of mine are dead.

5 months sucks, the permit office is really backlogged including adding an additional investigative sheriff and a clerk. (Backlog is really increasing). My wife applied for an original full carry permit (business owner) it's been in the mill for 18 months now. My son applied for a hunting-target restricted permit and they called his references within 3 months. Several other hunting-target applications I know are moving faster than my wife's full carry application.

I attend the monthly Erie SCOPE meetings. Alan mentioned above, is a guest speaker once or twice a year. Several of the SCOPE people are friendly with Alan and get regular updates on the Erie process backlog and the admin problems they encounter. Alan is a GLOCK fan.

Nobody likes the delays, but we're not Westchester.

As much as I hate it I can deal with waiting. I'm use to it from the first go around. I kinda get the feeling this may be one of those one and done situations so hopefully all goes well. Thanks.

 

[Deplorable Me]

As much as I hate it I can deal with waiting. I'm use to it from the first go around. I kinda get the feeling this may be one of those one and done situations so hopefully all goes well. Thanks.

This happened several years ago that some guys I know got their unrestricted permits. They had day jobs but bought and sold antiques or motorcycle parts at weekend shows; part time. No problems. Cash business.

One thing I included in my application was as I was getting older the wife and I were traveling more (driving) and indicated I wanted to apply for out of state CCW permits. I've heard mixed returns on the PA permit process in that some were denied if they had restrictions on their NY permit.

I'll never know what bureaucrats think, it would probably scare me.

 

[FLA45fan]

So, I may be moving to Erie county next year. I have a Chautauqua county unrestricted permit. What happens then? Change of address in Chautauqua, go to Erie PPO and do something there, does it become "restricted" and wait to become unrestricted? I've got FL, AZ, and PA as well as an NRA instructor certification. What say you?

 

[Depick]

I'd say a call to the Erie county ppo should be your next step.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

So, I may be moving to Erie county next year. I have a Chautauqua county unrestricted permit. What happens then? Change of address in Chautauqua, go to Erie PPO and do something there, does it become "restricted" and wait to become unrestricted? I've got FL, AZ, and PA as well as an NRA instructor certification. What say you?

From what I have seen, you are likely OK. Have you had your Chautauqua permit a long time? Judge Boller is just as @Deplorable Me noted above in Post#5. Suggest you visit the office and check with Alan Brown re his thoughts on doing it. You may also want to write a short and concise letter with your transfer request if you have additional justification for your Unrestricted.

Others that I know of have gotten Unrestricted off the bat here in Erie County. Pretty likely you would keep it in the transfer, but not 100%. Length of time you've had yours could also come into play. Judge Boller is reportedly honoring upgrade requests to Unrestricted when permit holders have had theirs for a certain length of time. Alan could likely guide you on that point.

 

[cgrutt]

Have no idea about Erie but would recommend taking RPD unrestricted carry course and sending certificate to judge along with your application. Also would recommend (regardless of whether you take class or not) telling judge you know and understand Art. 35, keep guns secured while not in use, etc... Good luck.

Here is link to RPD class... Rochester Personal Defense, LLC

 

[FLA45fan]

I've had my Chautauqua issued permit about a year and a half, FL permit for 20 years, give or take and been an NRA instructor for over a dozen years( which by the way, didn't get me any leeway in the process. I still had to take the course
Thanks for all your thoughts on this

 

[Bob]

Call or email James Emmick over at FTWNY. He specializes in helping folks through the process in Erie and Niagara Counties. I have no doubt that he has had a client go through this very process. He will definitely have some insight for you.

 

[GOPerfect]

Taking classes is always a good thing; not needed in Erie County for upgrade though.

On the application for upgrade, there is a space for you to write your reasoning. I always suggest you type a letter and add to the application.

Keep it simple, include that you have read and understand both Penal Code 265 as well as 400 and that you are very familar with Article 35.

Do not put on that you work in the "Bad" parts of Buffalo, that will make you look a bit Racist. No statements of "I carry Money". And absolutely nothing about the fact that it is your 2A Right.

Once you write something up, if you want, I can read it over and suggest changes if needed. I have help many in Erie County, so far, none have been denied.

 

[FLA45fan]

Call or email James Emmick over at FTWNY. He specializes in helping folks through the process in Erie and Niagara Counties. I have no doubt that he has had a client go through this very process. He will definitely have some insight for you.

That's right, I forgot about him. Took the Chautauqua class and sat through his class after we talked about the process. Good class, lots of info. Good idea.

 

[FLA45fan]

Taking classes is always a good thing; not needed in Erie County for upgrade though.

On the application for upgrade, there is a space for you to write your reasoning. I always suggest you type a letter and add to the application.

Keep it simple, include that you have read and understand both Penal Code 265 as well as 400 and that you are very familar with Article 35.

Do not put on that you work in the "Bad" parts of Buffalo, that will make you look a bit Racist. No statements of "I carry Money". And absolutely nothing about the fact that it is your 2A Right.

Once you write something up, if you want, I can read it over and suggest changes if needed. I have help many in Erie County, so far, none have been denied.

Great ideas, thanks for your help. I wouldn't mind moving back to Florida instead but . . . We'll see . . .