Good old California. It’s not felony burglary if you’re car doors aren’t locked.

[Saltwater60]

So now I need to lock my car doors or it’s partly my fault the guy stole my stuff? I always do but that doesn’t mean it’s less of a crime does it? If I say go ahead and shoot me and some one does that doesn’t mean they didn’t kill me. California is crazy.

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[E the massive]

Makes sense. People need to take some responsibility for securing their property.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

So if the bank vault door happens to be open....?

 

[E the massive]

So if the bank vault door happens to be open....?

Stealing from a bank is a felony, cause it's a bank. I'm actually surprised Cali did this, more felons equals less legal gun owners.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Stealing from a bank is a felony, cause it's a bank. I'm actually surprised Cali did this, more felons equals less legal gun owners.

Ok, armored car then.

 

[libertysnake]

So if the bank vault door happens to be open....?

Or if the car just "happens" to have a built in lighter.

 

[E the massive]

Ok, armored car then.

FDIC, still a felony.

 

[spat]

FDIC, still a felony.

Cause government money is more important than peasant money...

 

[Acer-m14]

locks only keep the honest out .. so why have fuckin locks in the first place .. .. the shit is not yours

what about the glass windows LOL ..

 

[Deplorable Me]

So blame the victim?

Don't walk around with your pants off.

California, land of fruits and nuts.

 

[E the massive]

Cause government money is more important than peasant money...

Federal Reserve money.

 

[spat]

Federal Reserve money.

It's *all* federal reserve money.

They just let us borrow it for a while sometimes.

You know you're too powerful when the US federal government needs to beg *you* for money, and you can say "no".

 

[Saltwater60]

Doesn’t matter whose money it is or it isn’t. If you take something that’s not yours it shouldn’t matter.
Here is what I don’t understand. I’m sitting in my car and the doors are unlocked and some one steals my stuff. I’m in my car? Felony or not? This could lead to some deadly confrontations for sure.

 

[Grimscale]

Start checking politician's car doors.
Then their house doors.

 

[spat]

Start checking politician's car doors.
Then their house doors.

To find all your stolen shit ?

'cause that's probably where it is.

 

[Keyzard]

Makes sense. People need to take some responsibility for securing their property.

Not trying to start an argument, but I *hate* this logic.....if the property is not yours, keep your hands off! Theft is not defined as the "taking of someone else's secured property".

Should I assume that because my neighbor doesn't have his patio furniture chained to his house it's free for the taking? If you prefer keeping the analogy closer to the original example - if you do not have locking lug nuts on your wheels it's OK if I take them?

 

[Darth]

Makes sense. People need to take some responsibility for securing their property.

No.

You should be able to leave piles of cash out on your front yard. If they get stolen, it's still only the fault of the thief.

 

[E the massive]

No.

You should be able to leave piles of cash out on your front yard. If they get stolen, it's still only the fault of the thief.

You can leave piles of cash in your front yard.

 

[E the massive]

Not trying to start an argument, but I *hate* this logic.....if the property is not yours, keep your hands off! Theft is not defined as the "taking of someone else's secured property".

Should I assume that because my neighbor doesn't have his patio furniture chained to his house it's free for the taking? If you prefer keeping the analogy closer to the original example - if you do not have locking lug nuts on your wheels it's OK if I take them?

It's still a crime, just not a felony.

 

[Keyzard]

It's still a crime, just not a felony.

And it's this weak response to "lesser" crimes that breeds more serious crime.....

 

[Robin]

Cuomo steals our freedom. Are we equally to blame for doing nothing.
Robin

 

[Darth]

You can leave piles of cash in your front yard.

Now read the second sentence...

 

[E the massive]

Now read the second sentence...

A reasonable person with full mental capacity would understand the risks. You would share responsibility if the money was stolen. If you deny responsibility you should be a ward of the state.

 

[BDinPutnam]

You can leave piles of cash in your front yard.

Shit, 'round these parts, we call that... "bait."

 

[Deplorable Me]

What next California? Gonna ban my trunk monkey?

 

[E the massive]

Shit, 'round these parts, we call that... "bait."

Here we call it "found".

 

[Darth]

A reasonable person with full mental capacity would understand the risks. You would share responsibility if the money was stolen. If you deny responsibility you should be a ward of the state.

Absolute nonsense.

The criminal is the only person responsible. Shifting blame away from the person committing the illegal act is immoral.

If I leave a pile of cash out on my front porch, what gives others any right to it?

 

[E the massive]

Absolute nonsense.

The criminal is the only person responsible. Shifting blame away from the person committing the illegal act is immoral.

If I leave a pile of cash out on my front porch, what gives others any right to it?

Reality says secure your shit if you want to keep it.

 

[Darth]

Reality says secure your shit if you want to keep it.

Reality says do what you want with your stuff. Reality says don't take stuff that isn't yours.
Reality says don't rape the girl and say "it's partially her fault, she was wearing immodest clothes."

 

[Cleck]

Make all of the arguments you want, but just like gun laws, criminals don't follow decency rules either.

I hear this crap all the time from my neighbors who leave their cars and houses unlocked and are upset when they get nailed by some lowlife tugging at handles to see if someone slipped.

I'm not saying people deserve to have their shit taken, I'm agreeing that there needs to be some sense of responsibility. "But they shouldn't take it, it's mine! That's not right!" Yeah, you're right. Stealing is scumbaggy behavior, yet it happens all the time and people just expect people to not do it. It's a nice thought and all, but the bottom line is that scumbags will take your shit if you give them the chance. If I knew that my cars would not get hit by simply locking my doors vs taking the risk to not lock them and maybe-it'll-be-gone-maybe-it-won't when I come back to it, I'll make sure to lock my shit.

Again, not defending thieves. Even local pd calls it a "let-in" when someone calls up and says their car got rummaged through. Officially, it's a break-in, but in actuality, the person basically should have put a sign on it that said, "Here, go for it! I'm gullible into thinking you'll be a decent human and not punishing me for locking my stuff! Spare key is under the seat because I'm dumb. Might as well take the car too!"