How is this legal?

[Airborneguy]

No explanation necessary:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/737371123

 

[Phauxtoe]

could be fake or elizabeth warren trying to Get You!

 

[hoodfu]

could be fake or elizabeth warren trying to Get You!

Having those parts don't make your gun capable of full auto unless you've got a lower with the auto sear pin hole. Having that third hole is what makes the lower a machine gun as far as the ATF is concerned. That said, there's a lot of people who have registered full auto lowers, so buying these parts makes sense.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Probably the same way you can have an M16 BCG in your AR15. My understanding is that you cannot have more than one M16 component. So you could have the hammer for an M16 but not a hammer and a BCG. Obviously there is no place to put the auto sear in an AR without more milling, plus doing so is illegal. Its just parts until you build it into something.

 

[Airborneguy]

AH, I didn't know that the lower needs more work. Got it.

 

[GOYABEAN]

AH, I didn't know that the lower needs more work. Got it.

nothing a bright mind and a trip to ace hardware can't handle

 

[carpediem]

You cannot possess the drop in auto sear, nor any auto sear if I recall correctly.

 

[kev74]

I'm guessing its a scam to charge 3-4 times what the parts kit is worth. The part number on the package is for a regular semi-auto LPK.

From the ad...
"This kit is safe semi full auto."

 

[Cureforcancer]

Having those parts don't make your gun capable of full auto unless you've got a lower with the auto sear pin hole. Having that third hole is what makes the lower a machine gun as far as the ATF is concerned. That said, there's a lot of people who have registered full auto lowers, so buying these parts makes sense.

True! As far as i know...if your fa lower pre 86 of course is registered with the batf...replacement parts have no serial and therefore good to replace.

 

[Acer-m14]

why not .. they sell full auto un neutered bolts .. its what you do with them ... seamed a bit cheep to me thou .. was expecting 3 to 500 bucks for the kit

if whats in the photos is what you get .. looks like a full auto hammer .. has the hook on the end

 

[hoodfu]

You cannot possess the drop in auto sear, nor any auto sear if I recall correctly.

Yeah in the case of a DIAS, that module (which doesn't require the third pin to be drilled for it to work) is the registered machine gun. These are probably the most sought after as they'll turn any new AR into a full auto if you have the rest of the parts.

 

[thegatman]

It is perfectly legal to purchase and use those parts if you own an M16 registered lower.


DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, DC 20226

MAR 25 1999 903050:CHB
3311


Dear Mr. :Cuomo,

This refers to your letter in which you asked about possession of
spare M-16 machinegun parts by a person who possesses a registered
M-16 and a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle.

Any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot, without
manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger meets the
definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) of the National
Firearms Act (NFA). An AR-15 rifle, which is assembled with
certain M-16 machinegun fire control components, and which is
capable of shooting automatically is a machinegun as defined.

The definition of machinegun in section 5845(b) also includes any
combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if
such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Thus, an AR-15 rifle possessed with separate M-16 machinegun
components can meet the definition of a machinegun, if the rifle
shoots automatically when the components are installed.

The fact that a person lawfully possesses a registered NFA firearm
does not grant authorization to possess additional non-registered
firearms. A person who possesses a registered M-16 machinegun and
a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle and a separate quantity of M-16
machinegun components could be in possession of two machineguns.

We would advise any person who possesses an AR-15 rifle not to
possess M-16 fire control component. If a person possessed only
the M-16 machinegun and spare M-16 fire control components for that
machinegun, the person would possess only one machinegun.

We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
If you have further questions concerning this matter, please
contact us.

Sincerely yours,


Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

 

[C3D]

Under Federal law they are 100% legal to possess as long as you don’t also own an AR-15.

 

[kev74]

I still think he's selling a regular lower parts kit for way more than its worth.

 

[Exonautic]

Seems more like someone found it and fully believed it was everything you needed to make a gun full auto, or that's what he was trying to sell it off as. Either way he's an idiot.