How They Are Really Going to Disarm All of Us ( video )

[tirwin1]

How they plan to disarm us all

Kafka - esque.

Deliberately re-writing the rules so that past compliance is now used against FFLs. The determination of willful violations is now made by a computer software program. I have no doubt the code within the program results in a revocation decision 99% of the time.

100 FFLs run out of business in 2020 and 1,000 in 2022. It's quite clear what is going on.

If they can't outlaw guns then they will just choke off the supply of FFLs so that you can't buy one.

 

[livingston]

One needs to prepare for the day when it will be very difficult to purchase a gun .

 

[HIghlander]

Kafka - esque.

Deliberately re-writing the rules so that past compliance is now used against FFLs. The determination of willful violations is now made by a computer software program. I have no doubt the code within the program results in a revocation decision 99% of the time.

100 FFLs run out of business in 2020 and 1,000 in 2022. It's quite clear what is going on.

If they can't outlaw guns then they will just choke off the supply of FFLs so that you can't buy one.

It will go underground, remember when they tried to outlaw alcohol, that didn't work out too well did it?

 

[Grimscale]

It will go underground, remember when they tried to outlaw alcohol, that didn't work out too well did it?

one of the best "undocumented features" of modern vehicles are all the nooks where you can hide armament. Body panels made of differently shaped sheets of metal are great for hollowing out to hide pistols, rifles, ammo, etc. Closed frames would also be a great place to hide things (except in NY where they would be constantly bathed in salt-water).
Plus, few people really know what all the doo-dads, gizmos, and such are for. You could literally hide a belt-fed machine gun on a modern truck and no one would be the wiser.

Compared to vehicles during the Prohibition, modern vehicles during the gun prohibition are going to be amazing for transport of "illegal" goods.

 

[Cooolone]

I will say this. If and when the US Government decides to confiscate guns in the US, they will in fact confiscate guns in the US.

Out of my cold dead hands, I hear this one quite often. Okay, you will be dead.

The majority of Americans with guns will not fight the government if this were to occur. Lemmings, so many lemmings in the US. Lots of talk, very little actions to back up their words.

I pray the day does not come, but when it does, the .gov will retrieve millions and millions and millions of guns from the people.

Those who think that they will hold back the power of the government, I fear they do not understand the true power of the government.

While I generally can see why this sentiment makes sense, partially it is formed by your environment. But as a whole, there would be great difficulty in the execution of such an effort. Outside the pickle barrel, here in NY, the Constitution ranks supreme... And yes, the weight of the Govt is quite heavy, but make no mistake about it, how exactly would such a confiscation be performed? Your post implies that US Military be used... And well that can't be, the Posse Comitatus Act prevents this, and the larger contingent of US Military and Ex-Military certain to resist it's implication would cause even bigger issues, maybe even a Civil War within the Military Ranks... Resistance would be extreme, as evident even here in NY where there was so little compliance with the Safe Act, though largely unpublished for obvious reasons. There will never be a confiscation effort effectively implemented here in the U.S. "EVER"... Absent a Constitutional Amendment of the 2nd, which too, will never happen!

It's the conundrum the current powers that be weight and ponder daily, a stasis... Equilibrium... They don't like it, but there's really not much they can do about it! I'll remind you that half of all States have endorsed Constitutional Freedoms in regard to 2A Rights! And in reality there are just 9 States that are in retard mode... Take those represented populations, and also withdraw from the 9 States those 2A friendly folk who will migrate out if them should a confiscation in those States be implemented... It's not even close! The Govt may APPEAR overwhelming, but it's not when you factor in population and how this might be achieved. It won't, it would be impossible at this point and any point going forward. There are just so many things to consider here, but the human factor is the predominant one. You'll never see a PolPot regime, Moaist revolution, etc... And why? Yes, many and most are wet noddle folk who go about their day and run home to watch their reality TV. But the US public has show resolve and amazing reaction at times. Hurricane Katrina and other examples of sheep led to slaughter compliance is troubling, but it's also indicative of a group mentality that once revealed, further compliance would not occur, and be difficult. Again, that was a major city, reap with a particular mindset. But then you can go to the Ranch scenario and takeover of the Federal building... Two sides of a coin!

It's great to ponder how people would react to "kick in" door assault/seizure scenarios, but reality will be far different. Blind compliance only to a point, then resistance and then outright rebellion. It is and would be the natural order of things, regardless if perceived outcome! We are living in a Republic and the 2A is well engrained into the common consciousness of the Nation, whether it's for or against, but engrained nonetheless. It's silly to ponder who would be willing to make sacrifices to achieve a goal such as this, let alone ultimate sacrifices... Because history has taught us, you just don't know. But I believe here... Well it isn't Afghanistan, where at the first sight of trouble, they turn and run. That's not our history... There are millions of military and former military who've sworn to defend the Constitution and they hold that pledge dear. They wouldn't just submit and say, gee, ok, it's time because they've decided it's time and I'll just give em what I got because they want it... Lol

Rambling now... But add in a large percentage of peace, police and whatever acronym agencies officers you want to add, that would not execute such an effort either... Yes some would, and in the beginning maybe a majority or more. But once the shit hit the fan and the chips are down, it will only be the hardened and entrenched who take up the fight, and it's then, here in the U.S. where the Govt agents would lose, in this effort, for the sole reason of confiscation of arms!

All my opinion...

 

[spat]

I will say this. If and when the US Government decides to confiscate guns in the US, they will in fact confiscate guns in the US.

Out of my cold dead hands, I hear this one quite often. Okay, you will be dead.

The majority of Americans with guns will not fight the government if this were to occur. Lemmings, so many lemmings in the US. Lots of talk, very little actions to back up their words.

I pray the day does not come, but when it does, the .gov will retrieve millions and millions and millions of guns from the people.

Those who think that they will hold back the power of the government, I fear they do not understand the true power of the government.

You don't need to fight the government.

You just need to make the government's job difficult enough that they are forced to become draconian enough that the ones who are pushing disarmament are forced out of power.

*make* them commit atrocities.

People always say "how will you fight tanks with rifles". The point is that once you can force them to employ tanks in American cities they will lose support of the people in general.

There is no amount of military force that you can use to do that.

They *might* be able to pull it off with sufficiently effective propaganda and control of the media, but it cannot be done with military power alone.

What are they going to do, carpet bomb US cities ?

Nuke them ?

It simply doesn't work like that. It never has.

 

[GOPerfect]

Prior the Adolf Hitler getting elected to Chancellor in Germany, there were very few gun laws in that Country. Nothing really regulated, no massive lists and no registration. In less than three years of him taking power, civilian gun ownership went to near zero.

I do not put it past any government to implement anything they want.

So many talk of a revolt against the US Govt., I do not see this happening. I see the orders that are carried out bu all forms of govt workers. Many, if not most will not go against orders.

Just look at the Police in the US over the past few years. Paychecks and pensions.

 

[spat]

Prior the Adolf Hitler getting elected to Chancellor in Germany, there were very few gun laws in that Country. Nothing really regulated, no massive lists and no registration. In less than three years of him taking power, civilian gun ownership went to near zero.

I do not put it past any government to implement anything they want.

So many talk of a revolt against the US Govt., I do not see this happening. I see the orders that are carried out bu all forms of govt workers. Many, if not most will not go against orders.

Just look at the Police in the US over the past few years. Paychecks and pensions.

You are mostly correct. Paychecks and pensions drive 95% of the people in government. But, they can only drive you so far. "I'm going home to my family tonight" drives a lot too. Once that becomes in doubt, people will find alternatives to the paycheck and pension a lot more palatable.

There is also a huge difference between the US in the 2020s and 1930s Germany. They may not have had many gun laws, but they absolutely did not have the gun culture or the sheer volume of gun owners we have here.

Even if there were zero gun laws, that doesn't mean there is a widespread gun ownership, and really doesn't mean there are a lot of people for whom gun ownership is a core element of their identity.

In the US it is.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

It will go underground, remember when they tried to outlaw alcohol, that didn't work out too well did it?

Only issue there is that it's a heck of a lot easier to make alcohol than it is to make and reload ammunition.

 

[GOPerfect]

The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus.

It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it.

Who determines what is an extraordinary circumstance? Well, the government of course.

I think of the times during Covid, how Americans willingly gave up their freedoms because people in government told them they needed to? Imagine if they would have taken it too the next step and began hauling people away for not adhering to the mandates? How many would have stood up to fight back? So many Americans turned a blind eye to the overreaches that we experienced.

They could have used the Suspension clause and by the time it made it through the courts, how many could have been jailed? How many guns could they have gotten. Maybe not all guns, but the vast majority of them, the US Government knows who has what in their safes and their homes.

The evil doers of the government show up at your door with a piece of paper demanding your guns, this happens today, you are unaware they are coming. Ten men, heavily armed knock on your door, what do you do? This is how easy it is.

 

[FP1201]

Prior the Adolf Hitler getting elected to Chancellor in Germany, there were very few gun laws in that Country. Nothing really regulated, no massive lists and no registration. In less than three years of him taking power, civilian gun ownership went to near zero.

I do not put it past any government to implement anything they want.

So many talk of a revolt against the US Govt., I do not see this happening. I see the orders that are carried out bu all forms of govt workers. Many, if not most will not go against orders.

Just look at the Police in the US over the past few years. Paychecks and pensions.

Economic hardships resulting from the First World War had the people of Germany in dire straights and a charismatic orator gained their ear and the rest is some of the most fascinating History of the last hundred years, even now three-four-five generations later WE are still mesmerized by it.

The Government IS doing what it wants by those entrenched in it's Offices under a Party Flag. NOTHING happens in Government by accident; it is all planned, and the only reason things change is because the Party "Club" membership changes.

The US Govt. is the largest employer in the World, it is also diverse and immersed in both true believers of the propaganda, those that write the propaganda, and those that know it's a bunch of bullshit.. THEY TOO know the secrets, and who guards the gates; many will conform (for a little while) but those who are just like "us" will also write a blank check to our Flag and Constitution.

"Patchecks and Pensions": Well Sir, there is that, but eventually when bodies of friends/co-workers/fellow Soldiers are zipped into Body Bags, suddenly those two don't mean shit, especially if you'll never get to enjoy those fruits... Having been on the gubberment side, served, and spent years talking with active duty from multipleranks and walk of life, I feel confident that nothing will go the way they think.

 

[GOPerfect]

"Patchecks and Pensions": Well Sir, there is that, but eventually when bodies of friends/co-workers/fellow Soldiers are zipped into Body Bags, suddenly those two don't mean shit, especially if you'll never get to enjoy those fruits... Having been on the gubberment side, served, and spent years talking with active duty from multipleranks and walk of life, I feel confident that nothing will go the way they think.

Truer words have not been said

 

[Robin]

"The evil doers of the government show up at your door with a piece of paper demanding your guns, this happens today, you are unaware they are coming. Ten men, heavily armed knock on your door, what do you do? This is how easy it is."
They already do in the form of "Red Flag" laws.
Robin

 

[livingston]

"The evil doers of the government show up at your door with a piece of paper demanding your guns, this happens today, you are unaware they are coming. Ten men, heavily armed knock on your door, what do you do? This is how easy it is."
They already do in the form of "Red Flag" laws.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

WACO ...

 

[Acer-m14]

Bundy Ranch ...

the govt will kill you because of cattle and a little turtle ..

 

[MothMan]

The Battle of Athens

 

[spat]

The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus.

It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it.

Who determines what is an extraordinary circumstance? Well, the government of course.

I think of the times during Covid, how Americans willingly gave up their freedoms because people in government told them they needed to? Imagine if they would have taken it too the next step and began hauling people away for not adhering to the mandates? How many would have stood up to fight back? So many Americans turned a blind eye to the overreaches that we experienced.

They could have used the Suspension clause and by the time it made it through the courts, how many could have been jailed? How many guns could they have gotten. Maybe not all guns, but the vast majority of them, the US Government knows who has what in their safes and their homes.

The evil doers of the government show up at your door with a piece of paper demanding your guns, this happens today, you are unaware they are coming. Ten men, heavily armed knock on your door, what do you do? This is how easy it is.

They get all the guns they know about.

Then tomorrow night, while they are sleeping, they find out about the others.

2 can play the "surprise home invasion" game.