Hunting better than farming?

[Saltwater60]

Hunting animals for meat reduces greenhouse emissions compared to farming, study finds - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Thruth be told I didn’t read much of the article so I’m not sure what it says but it seemed interesting.

 

[spat]

Hunting is great.

But it doesn't scale.

You can't supply 300 million people via hunting.

 

[Acer-m14]

its simple .. to reduce CO2 .. you need to remove the Cities and plant more tree's

and in Australia they have no guns to hunt with .. well very few and limited ones .. LOL ..

 

[Saltwater60]

its simple .. to reduce CO2 .. you need to remove the Cities and plant more tree's

and in Australia they have no guns to hunt with .. well very few and limited ones .. LOL ..

I watched a show call kiss the ground I believe and it made a lot of sense about a way to farm that reduces carbon release from tilling the ground. This usda scientist feels this change would make all the difference we need. I’m on board with that and it makes sense for farmers too. Maybe not every farmer.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

RE: Australia...they still have sharp stick and Rocks dont they?!?!?!?!
chase it and hit it with a rock.....OLD OLD SCHOOL HUNTING!!!!

 

[Robin]

If your boomerang don't come back, well, that's a score!
Robin

 

[Criticalt]

RE: Australia...they still have sharp stick and Rocks dont they?!?!?!?!
chase it and hit it with a rock.....OLD OLD SCHOOL HUNTING!!!!

Australia has plenty of guns to hunt with.
They are highly regulated but I know guys with dozens of long guns and handguns.

 

[Criticalt]

I didnt read the article of course but I believe there is some nuance involved in this topic.
Hunting is great and farming is great......but.
There is a HUGE difference between subsistence farming on a small plot of land and large scale 10,000 acre produce farming.
If you do some research, you will find that in many ways, large scale vegetable farming is more environmentally damaging than large scale meat production. The vegetable growers strip the land of soil and nutrients, the chemicals they use to fertilize and remove pests can destroy the environment for miles around. Fertilizer washes into the rivers and lakes causing plants, often invasive, to choke rivers and turn rivers, ponds and lakes into swamps. The herbicides and pesticides can kill and poison amphibians, fish, birds and mammals for miles around when washed into rivers and lakes. And the MASSIVE amounts of water and carbon burning equipment used to grow these vegetables emit millions of tons of pollution, often far more than large scale meat production. Not to mention the massive trucking force thats needed to get fresh vegetables to market.
Once again the government and leftists are misleading and lying to us with their push to demonize meat and push their "vegetables are good for the environment" scam.
So, if more people did small scale (under 40 acres) farming, and supplemented that with hunting, our environment could be better.
Be clear that im not talking about "global warming" or "climate change", im talking about the huge impact large scale agriculture has on our environment in the form of pollution, erosion, loss of nature and other issues.
A family of 4 can very easily grow enough vegetables to feed their family in just a couple 10ft x 10ft raised boxes.....even in cities.

 

[Saltwater60]

I didnt read the article of course but I believe there is some nuance involved in this topic.
Hunting is great and farming is great......but.
There is a HUGE difference between subsistence farming on a small plot of land and large scale 10,000 acre produce farming.
If you do some research, you will find that in many ways, large scale vegetable farming is more environmentally damaging than large scale meat production. The vegetable growers strip the land of soil and nutrients, the chemicals they use to fertilize and remove pests can destroy the environment for miles around. Fertilizer washes into the rivers and lakes causing plants, often invasive, to choke rivers and turn rivers, ponds and lakes into swamps. The herbicides and pesticides can kill and poison amphibians, fish, birds and mammals for miles around when washed into rivers and lakes. And the MASSIVE amounts of water and carbon burning equipment used to grow these vegetables emit millions of tons of pollution, often far more than large scale meat production. Not to mention the massive trucking force thats needed to get fresh vegetables to market.
Once again the government and leftists are misleading and lying to us with their push to demonize meat and push their "vegetables are good for the environment" scam.
So, if more people did small scale (under 40 acres) farming, and supplemented that with hunting, our environment could be better.
Be clear that im not talking about "global warming" or "climate change", im talking about the huge impact large scale agriculture has on our environment in the form of pollution, erosion, loss of nature and other issues.
A family of 4 can very easily grow enough vegetables to feed their family in just a couple 10ft x 10ft raised boxes.....even in cities.

I’ll disagree with this because generally meat itself may not be super harmful but all the same water and fertilizer treatments that apply to veggies generally apply to cattle feed as well. There is likely less fertilizer or pesticides sprayed on hay or grains but they till the land, use lots of carbon producing equipment to till and harvest. Also many grains need to be dried before storage and use a lot of energy and the grains need to be transported.
IMO animal la being raised could be done properly and use way less energy and pesticides if they cattle were raised on food plots through regenerative agriculture.

I’ll agree small scale farming is not very damaging in any way it’s done for the most part.

Keep in mind I don’t feel we need to stop any try or of farming. We may need to tweak how we do some farming practices to make them better for the environment, but that is not easy.

 

[ProgSpear]

I was going to say something nasty about cleaning out all the parasites in verminous cities because it would reduce the amount of external supply needed, and allow small scale farming to work for the small scale communities, but then came to my senses and realized all the cultural enrichment I would be missing if that happened, so this comment never happened.

 

[Acer-m14]

RE: Australia...they still have sharp stick and Rocks dont they?!?!?!?!
chase it and hit it with a rock.....OLD OLD SCHOOL HUNTING!!!!

have you seen parts of Australia lately .. Grrr

 

[Criticalt]

I’ll disagree with this because generally meat itself may not be super harmful but all the same water and fertilizer treatments that apply to veggies generally apply to cattle feed as well. There is likely less fertilizer or pesticides sprayed on hay or grains but they till the land, use lots of carbon producing equipment to till and harvest. Also many grains need to be dried before storage and use a lot of energy and the grains need to be transported.
IMO animal la being raised could be done properly and use way less energy and pesticides if they cattle were raised on food plots through regenerative agriculture.

I’ll agree small scale farming is not very damaging in any way it’s done for the most part.

Keep in mind I don’t feel we need to stop any try or of farming. We may need to tweak how we do some farming practices to make them better for the environment, but that is not easy.

My point is that vegetable growing uses WAY more harmful techniques and chemicals to grow the massive amounts of food needed to keep fresh vegetables in the stores. Feed corn for cows uses cow manure to grow, ive literally never heard of a field corn grower using anything else, its too expensive. Corn doesnt really need fertalizer. And, the field corn growers almost NEVER use any pesticides, they do not care about most pests. Unless there is an infestation, they rarely use anything.
However, vegetable growers use millions of tons of chemical fertilizer and pesticides so they can have large blemish free produce.
This isnt just an opinion, its well known that field corn uses very little fertilizer or pesticides whereas, to grow perfect vegetables/fruit, growers use environmentally harmful cocktails of herbisides, pesticides, fertalizer, anti fungals, boosters, chemicals used as a fertalizer delivery system.....
Of course meat production and dairy production use these things too, but on a much smaller scale.
But, the leftists, politicians and others want people to believe vegetable growing is harmless but that horrible meat producing is killing the earth.....cow farts and all.
Dont even get me started on dairy.......
I live in dairy country.....and field corn country......I can see multiple fields of corn from my house. All grown with 100% liquid manure.

 

[BuffNiag]

My point is that vegetable growing uses WAY more harmful techniques and chemicals to grow the massive amounts of food needed to keep fresh vegetables in the stores. Feed corn for cows uses cow manure to grow, ive literally never heard of a field corn grower using anything else, its too expensive. Corn doesnt really need fertalizer. And, the field corn growers almost NEVER use any pesticides, they do not care about most pests. Unless there is an infestation, they rarely use anything.
However, vegetable growers use millions of tons of chemical fertilizer and pesticides so they can have large blemish free produce.
This isnt just an opinion, its well known that field corn uses very little fertilizer or pesticides whereas, to grow perfect vegetables/fruit, growers use environmentally harmful cocktails of herbisides, pesticides, fertalizer, anti fungals, boosters, chemicals used as a fertalizer delivery system.....
Of course meat production and dairy production use these things too, but on a much smaller scale.
But, the leftists, politicians and others want people to believe vegetable growing is harmless but that horrible meat producing is killing the earth.....cow farts and all.
Dont even get me started on dairy.......
I live in dairy country.....and field corn country......I can see multiple fields of corn from my house. All grown with 100% liquid manure.

The small, vertically integrated farms around here aren’t really representative of what’s happening in the rest of the country. Go west and you will see massive corn and soybean growing operations that rely upon GMO monocultures and herbicides. The grain goes to feedlots and milking operations that are hundreds of miles away. They certainly aren’t going to truck the manure back to the corn field. Efficient, yes, but not so great for the environment.

I loath to say it but I think farming around here will dry up in the next 10-15 years just because it’s so inefficient by comparison. It’s almost quaint.

 

[Saltwater60]

The vertically integrated farms around here aren’t really representative of what’s happening in the rest of the country. Go west and you will see massive corn and soybean growing operations that rely upon GMO monocultures and herbicides. The grain goes to feedlots and milking operations that are hundreds of miles away. They certainly aren’t going to truck the manure back to the corn field. Efficient, yes, but not so great for the environment.

I loath to say it but I think farming around here will dry up in the next 10-15 years just because it’s so inefficient by comparison. It’s almost quaint.

Most farms are consolidating now. We will have some very small hobby farms and a few large ones around. Most mid-sized farms will disappear.

 

[Saltwater60]

My point is that vegetable growing uses WAY more harmful techniques and chemicals to grow the massive amounts of food needed to keep fresh vegetables in the stores. Feed corn for cows uses cow manure to grow, ive literally never heard of a field corn grower using anything else, its too expensive. Corn doesnt really need fertalizer. And, the field corn growers almost NEVER use any pesticides, they do not care about most pests. Unless there is an infestation, they rarely use anything.
However, vegetable growers use millions of tons of chemical fertilizer and pesticides so they can have large blemish free produce.
This isnt just an opinion, its well known that field corn uses very little fertilizer or pesticides whereas, to grow perfect vegetables/fruit, growers use environmentally harmful cocktails of herbisides, pesticides, fertalizer, anti fungals, boosters, chemicals used as a fertalizer delivery system.....
Of course meat production and dairy production use these things too, but on a much smaller scale.
But, the leftists, politicians and others want people to believe vegetable growing is harmless but that horrible meat producing is killing the earth.....cow farts and all.
Dont even get me started on dairy.......
I live in dairy country.....and field corn country......I can see multiple fields of corn from my house. All grown with 100% liquid manure.

Basically what Buffniagarar said. Huge fields do use synthetic fertilizers, manure can be good, but can be bad. Run off causes algae blooms and high nutrient load s in water ways. Many use herbicides to keep weeds at bay. GMO was developed so it can be sprayed with roundup and not killed. Spreading manure causes soil compaction because the heavy equipment, then they till the soil causing topsoil loss.
I certainly won’t disagree with your point that the left is against animal operations vs veggie operations, but if you were a vegetarian you would as well. Veggies are sprayed with pesticides a lot and synthetics are used fairly regularly as you mentioned.
Neither is very good for the environment and both use a lot of energy and recourses, but with our population that’s just what needs to be done. We can improve animal and feed operations, but I dont see a way to improve veggie operations as much. Hey I eat steaks and will continue to do so.

 

[Acer-m14]

My point is that vegetable growing uses WAY more harmful techniques and chemicals to grow the massive amounts of food needed to keep fresh vegetables in the stores. Feed corn for cows uses cow manure to grow, ive literally never heard of a field corn grower using anything else, its too expensive. Corn doesnt really need fertalizer. And, the field corn growers almost NEVER use any pesticides, they do not care about most pests. Unless there is an infestation, they rarely use anything.
However, vegetable growers use millions of tons of chemical fertilizer and pesticides so they can have large blemish free produce.
This isnt just an opinion, its well known that field corn uses very little fertilizer or pesticides whereas, to grow perfect vegetables/fruit, growers use environmentally harmful cocktails of herbisides, pesticides, fertalizer, anti fungals, boosters, chemicals used as a fertalizer delivery system.....
Of course meat production and dairy production use these things too, but on a much smaller scale.
But, the leftists, politicians and others want people to believe vegetable growing is harmless but that horrible meat producing is killing the earth.....cow farts and all.
Dont even get me started on dairy.......
I live in dairy country.....and field corn country......I can see multiple fields of corn from my house. All grown with 100% liquid manure.

but what corn ?? the GMO round up ready corn .. ect .. ??

i see sweet peppers and tomatoes in the store the size of 2 soft balls .. no fking flavor .. bigger is not better

back when i was 15 on my bicycle off to GF house .. i would stop and grab a ear of field corn for a snack .. eat it raw when its young .. nice n sweet.. even stood in the combine hopper picking field corn in the fall .,. ate that too .. its much better when hot from the corn dryer

dont get me started on raw milk from the farm cooler tank

i dove into the hydroponics growing for a few yrs in the home .. $$$$$ .. got fast growing with tomato's ..but no flavor .. but the hot peppers i could control with the liquid food and lack of water and make them hot as hell ..

 

[Criticalt]

Basically what Buffniagarar said. Huge fields do use synthetic fertilizers, manure can be good, but can be bad. Run off causes algae blooms and high nutrient load s in water ways. Many use herbicides to keep weeds at bay. GMO was developed so it can be sprayed with roundup and not killed. Spreading manure causes soil compaction because the heavy equipment, then they till the soil causing topsoil loss.
I certainly won’t disagree with your point that the left is against animal operations vs veggie operations, but if you were a vegetarian you would as well. Veggies are sprayed with pesticides a lot and synthetics are used fairly regularly as you mentioned.
Neither is very good for the environment and both use a lot of energy and recourses, but with our population that’s just what needs to be done. We can improve animal and feed operations, but I dont see a way to improve veggie operations as much. Hey I eat steaks and will continue to do so.

Agreed.
Again, my point is that vegetable farming is not as harmless as "they" say. A large vegetable farm causes catastrophic damage for miles around. And it takes a LOT of chemicals to grow large, blemish free vegetables.

 

[Criticalt]

The small, vertically integrated farms around here aren’t really representative of what’s happening in the rest of the country. Go west and you will see massive corn and soybean growing operations that rely upon GMO monocultures and herbicides. The grain goes to feedlots and milking operations that are hundreds of miles away. They certainly aren’t going to truck the manure back to the corn field. Efficient, yes, but not so great for the environment.

I loath to say it but I think farming around here will dry up in the next 10-15 years just because it’s so inefficient by comparison. It’s almost quaint.

Absolutely.
As I mentioned, im not talking about ALL feed corn growing, but alot.
My wifes family owns one of the largest beef cattle operation in Illinois.... Yes, Illinois had a lot of beef production.
They have a 25,000+ head a year operation and grow most of their own feed on leased land.
Im not sure exactly how they do it now but I know they use manure on all of their feed corn. Ive been there recently but havent paid close attention on growing practices.
Her grandfather and family keep the local Farm King in business in Macomb Illinois.
Not even kidding, her family and connected farms are probably 90% of the stores sales.

 

[Saltwater60]

but what corn ?? the GMO round up ready corn .. ect .. ??

i see sweet peppers and tomatoes in the store the size of 2 soft balls .. no fking flavor .. bigger is not better

back when i was 15 on my bicycle off to GF house .. i would stop and grab a ear of field corn for a snack .. eat it raw when its young .. nice n sweet.. even stood in the combine hopper picking field corn in the fall .,. ate that too .. its much better when hot from the corn dryer

dont get me started on raw milk from the farm cooler tank

i dove into the hydroponics growing for a few yrs in the home .. $$$$$ .. got fast growing with tomato's ..but no flavor .. but the hot peppers i could control with the liquid food and lack of water and make them hot as hell ..

Those peppers you see are all greenhouse grown and grown under perfect conditions with seeds selected for size.
The sweet corn you ate as a kid was so good because it was fresh. As soon as it’s picked it goes from sugar to starch slowly. The older sweet corn is the less sweet it is.
Ive never eaten field corn so I can’t comment.
Raw milk is only dangerous if not done properly. Cow shit and improper cleaning are the causes of illness with raw milk.

 

[Saltwater60]

Absolutely.
As I mentioned, im not talking about ALL feed corn growing, but alot.
My wifes family owns one of the largest beef cattle operation in Illinois.... Yes, Illinois had a lot of beef production.
They have a 25,000+ head a year operation and grow most of their own feed on leased land.
Im not sure exactly how they do it now but I know they use manure on all of their feed corn. Ive been there recently but havent paid close attention on growing practices.
Her grandfather and family keep the local Farm King in business in Macomb Illinois.
Not even kidding, her family and connected farms are probably 90% of the stores sales.

Good for them. I hope they can hold on.

 

[Robin]

Lots of reasons why hunting is important.
Robin