And once again it was awesome! Ben of @OnSight Firearms Training just runs a great class, everything I wrote here-
https://nygunforum.com/threads/my-day-of-training-with-onsight-firearms-training.13022/-
still holds true.
This time I also took the defensive pistol class the day before and that class was also great It really showed me I really need to spend more time on the range with my pistols. In fact my next range trip I won't even bring my rifles!
Aside from that the class was, as expected, highly entertaining and informative. There are just so many things you do in a good class that you can't do on a range. Things like moving while shooting, working with cover and shooting at targets at bad breath distance which may sound simple but actually requires some forethought and reps so you don't shoot yourself instead of the bad guy. It was also a ton of fun. Real John Wick type stuff, lighting rounds off rapidly while seamlessly transitioning through various grips and target areas as you back up creating more distance. When you get a rep off clean it feels so badass! Lot of fun, glad I took it. And I will be taking more classes in the future, that is just a given at this point. Ben has life long customer in me for sure.
Also worth noting that while the second day of training was technically the same defensive carbine class I took last September the content was not exactly the same. Similar but there were some different elements so repeating classes is not just more of the same.
Finally Ben is Funny, engaging, easy to approach and work with and really knows his stuff. Not once in the three classes I have done with him did I hear or see anything that had me raising an eyebrow. Everything he teaches comes from a logical and pragmatic place.
So, once again, Ben thanks for running a great class and I really look forward to working with you again. Hopefully I will have tightened up my pistol craft by then.
As for gear, I am really, really glad I had knee and elbow pads, I'd say that they are a must and they are cheap. My Esstac velcro inner/outer belt worked great and was lo-pro enough that it didn't get in the way at all and the esstac kywi mag pouches with the kydex imserts worked well too, never lost a mag pistol or rifle. I never used my dump pouch, cargo pockets work just as well.
Finally the Galil Ace 308 came through....er
aces. Not a single malfunction. The reloads were clunkier than an AR, not having a last shot bolt hold open talking to you creates a delay because you have to go through a "click" before you know its time to reload but still once I got used to it I was doing reloads fairly fast and I have room to improve yet.
The really amazing thing was that the weight, which is reasonable for a 308 semi auto gun, did not slow me down at all. It came on target very quickly, the stock was comfortable solid and provided an excellent sight picture with the riser installed. It put rounds on target just as quickly. I was frequently the first shooter putting holes on target, with quality hits, and the recoil was so mild that follow up shots were just as quick as all the 5.56 ARs next to me. Also the muzzle blast, while significant and very noticeable, was not so bad as to be disruptive as I had been concerned about.
I did park myself right next to @speedkills27 all day and he claims that after a while it didn't bother him at all. So in the end the 308 Galil Ace is as viable as any 5.56 gun in the same roles. And with 25 round mags, which I did not find even remotely cumbersome even while prone, I did not find myself to be overly disadvantaged i capacity or total load out either, nor did I find the extra weight of the ammo to be a factor either. My typical 308 load out was four 25 rounders, one in the gun, two in pouches and a single reserve in the left cargo pocket. I was never the only one to run out of ammo on the line, if I was out there were others that were also out. I do wish I had brought a little more ammo for it even if I had just enough to last me. Getting low was a psychological distraction. I brought a 540 round can of Malaysian surplus and I purchased a further 200 rounds of PPU, the "battle pack" things At the end of the class I had somthing like 85 rounds left which were burned into the berm by anyone interested.
On that final note, I met a lot of great dudes, and a great dudette in these classes.
If you haven't gone to one of Ben's classes you really ought to, you will not regret it.
https://nygunforum.com/threads/my-day-of-training-with-onsight-firearms-training.13022/-
still holds true.
This time I also took the defensive pistol class the day before and that class was also great It really showed me I really need to spend more time on the range with my pistols. In fact my next range trip I won't even bring my rifles!
Aside from that the class was, as expected, highly entertaining and informative. There are just so many things you do in a good class that you can't do on a range. Things like moving while shooting, working with cover and shooting at targets at bad breath distance which may sound simple but actually requires some forethought and reps so you don't shoot yourself instead of the bad guy. It was also a ton of fun. Real John Wick type stuff, lighting rounds off rapidly while seamlessly transitioning through various grips and target areas as you back up creating more distance. When you get a rep off clean it feels so badass! Lot of fun, glad I took it. And I will be taking more classes in the future, that is just a given at this point. Ben has life long customer in me for sure.
Also worth noting that while the second day of training was technically the same defensive carbine class I took last September the content was not exactly the same. Similar but there were some different elements so repeating classes is not just more of the same.
Finally Ben is Funny, engaging, easy to approach and work with and really knows his stuff. Not once in the three classes I have done with him did I hear or see anything that had me raising an eyebrow. Everything he teaches comes from a logical and pragmatic place.
So, once again, Ben thanks for running a great class and I really look forward to working with you again. Hopefully I will have tightened up my pistol craft by then.
As for gear, I am really, really glad I had knee and elbow pads, I'd say that they are a must and they are cheap. My Esstac velcro inner/outer belt worked great and was lo-pro enough that it didn't get in the way at all and the esstac kywi mag pouches with the kydex imserts worked well too, never lost a mag pistol or rifle. I never used my dump pouch, cargo pockets work just as well.
Finally the Galil Ace 308 came through....er
aces. Not a single malfunction. The reloads were clunkier than an AR, not having a last shot bolt hold open talking to you creates a delay because you have to go through a "click" before you know its time to reload but still once I got used to it I was doing reloads fairly fast and I have room to improve yet.
The really amazing thing was that the weight, which is reasonable for a 308 semi auto gun, did not slow me down at all. It came on target very quickly, the stock was comfortable solid and provided an excellent sight picture with the riser installed. It put rounds on target just as quickly. I was frequently the first shooter putting holes on target, with quality hits, and the recoil was so mild that follow up shots were just as quick as all the 5.56 ARs next to me. Also the muzzle blast, while significant and very noticeable, was not so bad as to be disruptive as I had been concerned about.
I did park myself right next to @speedkills27 all day and he claims that after a while it didn't bother him at all. So in the end the 308 Galil Ace is as viable as any 5.56 gun in the same roles. And with 25 round mags, which I did not find even remotely cumbersome even while prone, I did not find myself to be overly disadvantaged i capacity or total load out either, nor did I find the extra weight of the ammo to be a factor either. My typical 308 load out was four 25 rounders, one in the gun, two in pouches and a single reserve in the left cargo pocket. I was never the only one to run out of ammo on the line, if I was out there were others that were also out. I do wish I had brought a little more ammo for it even if I had just enough to last me. Getting low was a psychological distraction. I brought a 540 round can of Malaysian surplus and I purchased a further 200 rounds of PPU, the "battle pack" things At the end of the class I had somthing like 85 rounds left which were burned into the berm by anyone interested.
On that final note, I met a lot of great dudes, and a great dudette in these classes.
If you haven't gone to one of Ben's classes you really ought to, you will not regret it.
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