I will miss some things about Obama

[Snappo]

Even though I am a mix of Libertarian and Conservative; I was a supporter of Obama enough that I voted for him twice. While I disagree with the Democrat platform completely, I feel Obama from the beginning properly distanced himself from the DNC and worked his own agenda. The part I will miss about Obama was that he was very intellectual, a great orator, and I feel he truly cared about all Americans. He did not always impassion Americans to support his positions and views, but I always felt he expressed his views intelligently, often compellingly, and professionally.

I cannot imagine Trump suddenly becoming intellectual or magically developing the ability to speak publicly and inspire America. The media ignored a lot of his complex relationships with mafia / organized crime, Russia, and other groups that do not have Americans best interests in mind. I hope he shows integrity that has not been a component of his business life. So far his integrity seems questionable; in that he has placed the CEO of Breitbart News in his cabinet. Breitbart is the radical right - skinheads, KKK, pro-Hitler, and other anti-Semite and White supremacist groups make up Breitbart. Can a cabinet that contains Generals that are American heroes offset a cabinet that also has pro-skinheads and (not so) hidden agenda ExxonMobil oil cronies?

These next four or eight years will be interesting indeed; and hopefully our economy is not shattered by the confrontation Trump plans to have with China and the signatory countries of NAFTA, TPP, etc.

 

[holdover]

I want two of what ever your drinking

 

[Criticalt]

Have you been drinking?
I have not disagreed with anyone more than I disagree with every word you just typed.
Is this opposite day?

 

[Celt]

Pfft, he is nothing more than a community organizer with some charisma.

 

[kev74]

Even though I am a mix of Libertarian and Conservative; I was a supporter of Obama enough that I voted for him twice. While I disagree with the Democrat platform completely, I feel Obama from the beginning properly distanced himself from the DNC and worked his own agenda. The part I will miss about Obama was that he was very intellectual, a great orator, and I feel he truly cared about all Americans. He did not always impassion Americans to support his positions and views, but I always felt he expressed his views intelligently, often compellingly, and professionally.

Obama is not an intellectual, he is a poor speaker and hasn't spoken the truth once while he was in office. He has done more to divide this country than Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee combined. Starting with the "Beer Summit" at the start of his presidency, Obozo has worked to undermine the police and the respect for authority that keeps order in this country. He tried his best to flush the US down the toilet in order to appease other world leaders and his sugar daddy, George Soros.

I cannot imagine Trump suddenly becoming intellectual or magically developing the ability to speak publicly and inspire America. The media ignored a lot of his complex relationships with mafia / organized crime, Russia, and other groups that do not have Americans best interests in mind. I hope he shows integrity that has not been a component of his business life. So far his integrity seems questionable; in that he has placed the CEO of Breitbart News in his cabinet. Breitbart is the radical right - skinheads, KKK, pro-Hitler, and other anti-Semite and White supremacist groups make up Breitbart. Can a cabinet that contains Generals that are American heroes offset a cabinet that also has pro-skinheads and (not so) hidden agenda ExxonMobil oil cronies?

These next four or eight years will be interesting indeed; and hopefully our economy is not shattered by the confrontation Trump plans to have with China and the signatory countries of NAFTA, TPP, etc.

If you listen to an entire Trump speech (not just the snippets the media plays for you), you'll find out that he is well spoken and has the ability to communicate and motivate people in a way we haven't seen since Reagan. That's how he won the election. Trump has done more to improve the US as president-elect than Obama has done in the last 8 years. The economy is already showing improvement, the stock market is up and precious metal prices are down - all good signs. Its also telling that Trump is willing to talk with those who opposed him during the election - Al Gore, Mitt Romney, Bill Gates, and on and on. It shows his willingness to consider all sides of the issues.

I hope you're just trolling with this.

 

[Criticalt]

Pfft, he is nothing more than a community organizer with some charisma.

Whos legacy is failing at everything.

 

[Frankly]

Ich las Breitbart jeden Tag, ich denke, es ist zu verdammt liberal.

 

[dubleuhb]

He's a mental midget backed by a very powerful political machine, nothing more.


I think America hating racist douchebag when I see him or hear his voice.

 

[Criticalt]

I just figured it out.
Snappos post is exactly what CNN and MSM has been spewing.

 

[tirwin1]

If you truly voted for Obama you are in no way, shape or form a conservative.

 

[mickw]

I stopped reading after you said "I was a supporter of Obama enough that I voted for him twice". That was enough for me...

 

[Snappo]

Nope - not drinking. I have listened to Obama speak quite often. He was often on the XM POTUS channel. I just genuinely liked hearing the guy. I was listening to him today during his New Years speech and I just felt like I am really going to miss listening to him when Trump gets in. Obama did a lot of good things, and I think many disregard or were not aware of those. He inherited a pair of wars in-process; and on his watch we took out Bin Laden, Qaddafi, and I believe Saddam (though Saddam might have been Bush). He inherited a very corrupt Wall Street and a failing auto industry. He did what he thought he could to save America from those 2 disasters. I think he made a horrible decision with Iran and think the costly financial burden of ACA outweighed its value; but I believe his intention of getting insurance for millions of uninsured was honorable and for the right reasons. From a 2A perspective, the only thing I wish he did was allow those M1 Garands to come in from South Korea. But he did let in the 1911's (to CMP) and he never restricted my gun ownership. In fact, my Class III stamps came in quicker under Obama than under Bush or Clinton. I think he blew it by getting involved in the Trayvon fiasco and wish he took a different position on Ferguson and Baltimore; but I understand his desire to be very pro-Black. I'm not saying we all need to miss Obama; I am just saying I am going to.

 

[Celt]

I will give you credit for admitting that on this forum. But I gotta say, you strike me as a shill. Now I could be wrong about that but it's just my opinion. Early on in this forum you had some racist posts and now you're saying who voted for him not once but twice. That just doesn't add up.

 

[Snappo]

I stopped reading after you said "I was a supporter of Obama enough that I voted for him twice". That was enough for me...

I am extremely conservative. Just not a religitard. I don't believe in invisible sky-daddies that help a specific football catch a certain pass or fix someone with cancer. But my secular views are conservative. I prefer small government, many freedoms / less restrictions, lower taxes, less entitlements, no money being sent abroad, enforcement of immigration laws, and am very hard on crime and criminals.

 

[Celt]

. I prefer small government, many freedoms / less restrictions, lower taxes, less entitlements, no money being sent abroad, enforcement of immigration laws, and am very hard on crime and criminals.

The EXACT opposite of the obozo admin.

 

[carpediem]

History is littered with good speakers that committed awful acts or who were entirely incompetent. You are basically saying he was a good president despite all the chaos he spread in the Middle East, failing economy, divisive racial policy, shady dealings with "social justice" groups and on and on and on? Did you just sing his praises while saying you support strong immigration policy? Wow. Are you on drugs or drunk, or both? You are speaking in giant contradictions.

 

[Snappo]

I will give you credit for admitting that on this forum. But I gotta say, you strike me as a shill. Early on in this forum you had some racist posts and now you're saying who voted for him not once but twice. That just doesn't add up.

I am racist - but not against entire races. I am racist in that I believe there is a sub culture in America that is composed of blacks that are criminal recidivist, anti-police, anti-authority, anti-White generally, pro entitlement / pro dependence; and that offends my conservative values. Like Abe Lincoln; I just do not believe the two races can interact harmoniously without an inferior/superior position. I'd like it if we could all be judged by our actions like MLK wanted; but we cannot. Blacks want it to be defined by race. Laws are anti-black if it involves punishing black crime, etc. But there are plenty of people I like that are not WASP's. I liked Obama. I hated Clinton, so I was glad when he beat her. I also liked his choice of Biden; who's son was an American hero. I started voting in 1980. Voted for Reagan, Bush, Ross Perot, Bush II, Obama, and Trump. Didn't always get my way; but I still support my voting decisions. Didn't like either Clinton, didn,t like Dole, didn't like Gore. Didn't like Carter either, even though he was my first CinC.

 

[Snappo]

The EXACT opposite of the obozo admin.

I liked the guy, not all of his views on government. I like that he is a well spoken, intellectual statesman. Every time I heard Trump speak he came off as very simple minded and unable to articulate his thoughts intelligently. I do not find that lack of intellect attractive in a world leader.

 

[meketrefe]

I think he is a very good speaker. Bill Clinton was a very good speaker too. Imagine what they could have done if 1/2 of what they said was true.

 

[Celt]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. And it's my opinion that Obama was not a good speaker. Unless he was reading a well-put-together speech from a teleprompter he sounded like a bumbling fool. But, to each his own.

 

[Uzi]

Wow.... Just wow.

 

[Gunner57]

 

[Snappo]

History is littered with good speakers that committed awful acts or who were entirely incompetent. You are basically saying he was a good president despite all the chaos he spread in the Middle East, failing economy, divisive racial policy, shady dealings with "social justice" groups and on and on and on? Did you just sing his praises while saying you support strong immigration policy? Wow. Are you on drugs or drunk, or both? You are speaking in giant contradictions.

1) He didn't cause the chaos in ME; peaceful Islam did that all by it's lonesome. Bush stopped at the Kuwait border (when he should have kept going), Carter pulled out the Shah and stuffed in the Khomeini (which I would argue caused 99% of the problems in ME), Bubba Clinton was weak on getting OBL, etc. Lots of POTUS's had complexity in that disaster long before Obama ever entered politics.
2) The racial divide isn't Obama's doing. Talk to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, etc. They want that divide because apparently there is serious money in racial friction.
3) Economies are cyclical and rarely can a POTUS do much to impact Wall Street.
4) His immigration policy was weak and I disagree with it.
5) You are correct that some great speakers did horrible acts. I'm not going to put Obama in that group. That group holds Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Castro, and some others; but not Obama.

 

[MoMan]

juanjoNY... is that you??

 

[kev74]

Nope - not drinking. I have listened to Obama speak quite often. He was often on the XM POTUS channel. I just genuinely liked hearing the guy. I was listening to him today during his New Years speech and I just felt like I am really going to miss listening to him when Trump gets in. Obama did a lot of good things, and I think many disregard or were not aware of those. He inherited a pair of wars in-process; and on his watch we took out Bin Laden, Qaddafi, and I believe Saddam (though Saddam might have been Bush). He inherited a very corrupt Wall Street and a failing auto industry. He did what he thought he could to save America from those 2 disasters. I think he made a horrible decision with Iran and think the costly financial burden of ACA outweighed its value; but I believe his intention of getting insurance for millions of uninsured was honorable and for the right reasons. From a 2A perspective, the only thing I wish he did was allow those M1 Garands to come in from South Korea. But he did let in the 1911's (to CMP) and he never restricted my gun ownership. In fact, my Class III stamps came in quicker under Obama than under Bush or Clinton. I think he blew it by getting involved in the Trayvon fiasco and wish he took a different position on Ferguson and Baltimore; but I understand his desire to be very pro-Black. I'm not saying we all need to miss Obama; I am just saying I am going to.

1. You were listening to Obozo read, not speak. If you listen when his teleprompter goes out, he can't say his own name correctly. He's like Ron Burgundy in that respect.
2. The Navy Seals took out Bin Laden. Dubbya got Sadam, and supporting the terrorists who overthrew and killed Quaddafi destabilized the whole Middle East, and led to the Americans getting murdered in Benghazi.
3. Wall Street is still corrupt and the auto industry would have come back. Only GM was really in trouble, and if they had gone bankrupt, they would have reorganized and been in a better position than they are now - without the crippling UWA holding them back like an anchor.
4. Iran is a train wreck that will likely result in a lot of people in the middle east getting killed, and more people here being killed by the terrorism Iran supports.
5. Obamacare is a boondoggle that they knew would fail when they wrote it. It has no redeeming value. If Obozo had any balls, he would have expended the same political capitol he would have pushed through single payer (govt pays) healthcare. We still couldn't afford it, but it would have cut out the insurance companies and would avoid mandated policies that people can't afford.
6. The CMP didn't get any 1911s to sell. Obozo blocked that too.

 

[spat]

I am racist - but not against entire races. I am racist in that I believe there is a sub culture in America that is composed of blacks that are criminal recidivist, anti-police, anti-authority, anti-White generally, pro entitlement / pro dependence; and that offends my conservative values. Like Abe Lincoln; I just do not believe the two races can interact harmoniously without an inferior/superior position. I'd like it if we could all be judged by our actions like MLK wanted; but we cannot. Blacks want it to be defined by race. Laws are anti-black if it involves punishing black crime, etc. But there are plenty of people I like that are not WASP's. I liked Obama. I hated Clinton, so I was glad when he beat her. I also liked his choice of Biden; who's son was an American hero. I started voting in 1980. Voted for Reagan, Bush, Ross Perot, Bush II, Obama, and Trump. Didn't always get my way; but I still support my voting decisions. Didn't like either Clinton, didn,t like Dole, didn't like Gore. Didn't like Carter either, even though he was my first CinC.

That isn't racist. There absolutely are inferior cultures, and you can coax any liberal to admit that. Just because a particular culture is strongly correlated with race, it does not making you racist if you believe it is inferior.

 

[Blimey]

I won't miss obama mainly because I just really dislike the social direction of his party. To this day though he has never made me fearful that he would rage out and do something stupid. To me he had a lot of potential and Washington ruined him and soiled him. Made him too weak to enact real hope and change.

Anyway on drudge today was a video of him at a press conference and the entire two minutes is him doing a very good job of not saying "can somebody get this idiot out of here?".

I still believe bush was a worse president because he lied about iraq and that war has been a total catastrophe.

But I am happy to see the dems kicked out on their ass for a while. Get some conservative justices in there.

 

[Gunright]

Snappo reminds me of some people I know. They get caught up in the lofty words that Obama (and other like him speak). It's the liberal tune that is appealing to so many, who don't realize that underneath it all is the ever expanding control of the state into every aspect of their lives. The appeal is emotional, and appealing, to so many who want to believe.

It is the same emotional argument that the gun grabbers make, and on that front it is easier for us (at least on a 2A forum) to see it for what it is, words to get more control over us. "Common sense", used to take your rights away, and it is worth it, "if only one child is saved". It is through this twisted logic that things like the 14 day waiting period in California is upheld, that cosmetic features = evil "assault weapon" is upheld, and so on.

The truth that no one wants to hear is that the only way to increases in wealth (in the long run) is through increases in productivity, and that competition and yes failure of the weak (enterprises) is required to get there.

 

[Mosinitis]

The best U.S. president in my lifetime was Richard Nixon. He ended the war in Vietnam. Normalized relations with Russia and China. He would survive the watergate, if it was today. The media doesn't have as much power.

 

[Snappo]

1. You were listening to Obozo read, not speak. If you listen when his teleprompter goes out, he can't say his own name correctly. He's like Ron Burgundy in that respect.
2. The Navy Seals took out Bin Laden. Dubbya got Sadam, and supporting the terrorists who overthrew and killed Quaddafi destabilized the whole Middle East, and led to the Americans getting murdered in Benghazi.
3. Wall Street is still corrupt and the auto industry would have come back. Only GM was really in trouble, and if they had gone bankrupt, they would have reorganized and been in a better position than they are now - without the crippling UWA holding them back like an anchor.
4. Iran is a train wreck that will likely result in a lot of people in the middle east getting killed, and more people here being killed by the terrorism Iran supports.
5. Obamacare is a boondoggle that they knew would fail when they wrote it. It has no redeeming value. If Obozo had any balls, he would have expended the same political capitol he would have pushed through single payer (govt pays) healthcare. We still couldn't afford it, but it would have cut out the insurance companies and would avoid mandated policies that people can't afford.
6. The CMP didn't get any 1911s to sell. Obozo blocked that too.

1. I read that the CMP got the 1911's and are grading them. Who said they didn't get them? Mark Johnson (COO of CMP) supposedly said they were working on it.
2. There were (and I supposed still are) a lot of uninsured and under-insured Americans. ACA was an attempt to fix that, and I believe it was modeled after Romney care in MA. Like most Americans, I feel children should have insurance and it bothers me to think some children cannot get seen by an MD. I am not sure if this is an outcropping of ACA; but my adult children that are under 26 are on my insurance and I like that.
3) Iran is 100% Carter's fault IMHO. Lots of other hands along the way made it worse; but this falls completely at Carter's feet.
4) Kennedy, Obama, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln. These were great orators. Trump will not be in that list. Trump is more like a blue collar guy with limited education and a small vocabulary.