Illinois seeks to "ban" semiautomatic weapons

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[tirwin1]

"Nearly all of the killings can be found in the larger cities across the lands.

Within these larger cities, the majority of shootings/killings come out of small pockets within the larger cities.

Here in the Buffalo area for example. Nearly all of the shootings and killings in our County occur in the City of Buffalo. Of the killings in Buffalo, the majority come out of the East side of the city. Nearly no shootings in the North Buffalo area. Go into the East side and eradicate the savages that are committing these crimes. Simple. This is true in nearly all major cities.

Almost no killings/shootings in the Burbs or the rural areas."

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Help me understand your point.

You are saying that the solution to murder is to go into each major city and "eradicate" the savages. Correct me if wrong.

How would that work? Have the (literal) same team of savages been roaming about from large city to city, ignoring the suburbs and committing all the murders that have been taking place (so that a simple one-time eradication would solve the problem forever)? Where did the savages live prior to taking up residence in the small pockets of large cities? Were these savages not murdering people prior to moving into the large cities? Why do they choose not to expand into the suburbs or countryside? Or, if each city has its own local group of murdering savages, what has led to their taking up such behavior? Is there some chemical being released into the air in these places like Buffalo's East side that is turning the residents there into savages? Who is releasing the chemical, if so? How do they stop it from floating into the safe suburbs?

Do say more.

You raise interesting questions. You criticize or at least question the posts of others. So, I ask you in all seriousness - what are your suggestions? What would you recommend to reduce violent crime?

 

[spat]

You raise interesting questions. You criticize or at least question the posts of others. So, I ask you in all seriousness - what are your suggestions? What would you recommend to reduce violent crime?

I can't speak for him, but I say that even the poorest minority in the shittiest neighborhood deserves to live without being surrounded by criminals.

So, the solution is to arrest the criminals, especially in the shittiest neighborhoods, and don't let them out just because they happen to look like the decent people in those neighborhoods.

I think it is the height of racism to think that a decent hardworking person wants criminals back on the street just because they live in the same neighborhood and share some cosmetic resemblance.

The thing that almost *all* of those shooters have in common is a long prior criminal history.

So, keep the scumbags in jail to let the good people in those neighborhoods flourish.

 

[Acer-m14]

"Washington previously was arrested back in December 2022 and charged with Assault of a Family Member. In fact, he was expected to show up in court on January 20."

not to mention he was out on prole for only doing 6 of 15 .. can you guess what for ?

that Texas taco shooting ..

• Eric Eugene Washington, 30, had previously served 6 years of a 15-year sentence for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon

 

[livingston]

IL gun dealer says 90% of inventory are weapons that fall under new weapons ban​

 

[Rap]

You raise interesting questions. You criticize or at least question the posts of others. So, I ask you in all seriousness - what are your suggestions? What would you recommend to reduce violent crime?

I'll be back soon to continue the discussion.

 

[Rap]

You raise interesting questions. You criticize or at least question the posts of others. So, I ask you in all seriousness - what are your suggestions? What would you recommend to reduce violent crime?

Overall and in the broadest sense, I believe violent crime will diminish when the needs of the people committing the violent crimes are met.

Here is what I base that contention on:

I subscribe to the school of thought that all humans have certain basic needs. We are universally the same in that way. Where we run into problems and conflict is when our strategies employed and actions taken to meet those needs clash.
Some of these universal needs include:

• air
• water
• food
• shelter
• rest
• freedom
• purpose
• safety
• justice
• dignity

There are many other universal needs, in addition to the ones above. To the extent that our society's/world's operating systems are just, balanced and in support of universal needs being met, there will be less needs-based crime -- violent or otherwise.

Furthermore, I think life is "cheap" in many of the places where violent crime is concentrated. This is the message that permeates those places, places which are also consistently economically depressed. Those with resources observe from afar, concerned just to the extent that their own interests are affected by the conditions in the violent places.

I think that the militaristic, hierarchical nature of geopolitics, and the scarcity mindset among the superpower nations -- which determines the way power is amassed, maintained and wielded -- filters down into relationships on smaller scales between people.

I'll start with those points.

 

[holdover]

Nobody can give them purpose, safety or dignity . Nor were they part of our guaranteed human rights in the constitution.

Those things must be done by the individual .

I dont see anyone being denied Air, water or food.

Freedom and justice are legit. do you know of any laws preventing freedom or justice?

 

[Rap]

Nobody can give them purpose, safety or dignity . Nor were they part of our guaranteed human rights in the constitution.

Those things must be done by the individual .

I dont see anyone being denied Air, water or food.

Freedom and justice are legit. do you know of any laws preventing freedom or justice?

We all have the need for purpose, safety and dignity. These are universal needs which supersede any attempt at sociopolitical organization, such as the Constitution.

You say that these things "must be done by the individual," yet great effort since the beginning of time has been made to create systems that provide for these needs. In fact, simply banding together as a family/ tribe/ community/ society/ country/ international alliance represents attempts to meet the need of safety.

Purpose and dignity, I believe, are innate strivings that boil down to our lives holding meaning, and being considered valuable. No individual can "give" anyone else purpose or dignity, but the systems we live within can make it more easy or difficult for a person to recognize and experience dignity and purpose in their own lives.

No, I am not aware of any laws in this country which explicitly deny anyone the provision of air, water or food. Well, actually, our counterintelligence and wartime tactics (the actual law on this I could not quote) have/do involve such denials. This discussion however is not simply about laws alone. Further, in many cases, we are not talking about binary situations where Person A is outright denied freedom or justice, and Person B is granted freedom or justice. You have heard the phrase "justice delayed is justice denied", right? If it is routinely more difficult for certain people to experience justice than it is for others, then the justice system is imbalanced.

 

[spat]

Freedom and justice are legit. do you know of any laws preventing freedom or justice?

Well, there is all the gun control...

 

[spat]

We all have the need for purpose, safety and dignity. These are universal needs which supersede any attempt at sociopolitical organization, such as the Constitution.

You say that these things "must be done by the individual," yet great effort since the beginning of time has been made to create systems that provide for these needs. In fact, simply banding together as a family/ tribe/ community/ society/ country/ international alliance represents attempts to meet the need of safety.

Purpose and dignity, I believe, are innate strivings that boil down to our lives holding meaning, and being considered valuable. No individual can "give" anyone else purpose or dignity, but the systems we live within can make it more easy or difficult for a person to recognize and experience dignity and purpose in their own lives.

No, I am not aware of any laws in this country which explicitly deny anyone the provision of air, water or food. Well, actually, our counterintelligence and wartime tactics (the actual law on this I could not quote) have/do involve such denials. This discussion however is not simply about laws alone. Further, in many cases, we are not talking about binary situations where Person A is outright denied freedom or justice, and Person B is granted freedom or justice. You have heard the phrase "justice delayed is justice denied", right? If it is routinely more difficult for certain people to experience justice than it is for others, then the justice system is imbalanced.

The point is those are not needs that government can or should attempt to provide for.

There are major defects with many of the sub-cultures we have in this country. Some need to be reformed, others eradicated.

While this largely has to happen internally to those subcultures, there are external pressures that are being applied that make that very difficult.

The welfare/nanny state is a large part of that. People have a fundamental need to feel in control of their own destiny. If you deny them the ability to excel via enforced equity, and even deny them the ability to fail via social safety nets, it is a recipe for misery.

 

[Rap]

The point is those are not needs that government can or should attempt to provide for.

There are major defects with many of the sub-cultures we have in this country. Some need to be reformed, others eradicated.

While this largely has to happen internally to those subcultures, there are external pressures that are being applied that make that very difficult.

The welfare/nanny state is a large part of that. People have a fundamental need to feel in control of their own destiny. If you deny them the ability to excel via enforced equity, and even deny them the ability to fail via social safety nets, it is a recipe for misery.

Agreed.

The government cannot meet our needs. The hopeless trap that the USA has fallen into is outsourcing the role that each individual must play in getting one's needs met -- as well as "paying it forward" and contributing to general conditions which foster others' needs being met -- to the government.

The government in turn passes legislation and creates policies that mask/confuse the fundamental problem(s) it purports to address, thus creating dependencies -- especially economic -- on scales that are difficult to overcome.

 

[tirwin1]

Overall and in the broadest sense, I believe violent crime will diminish when the needs of the people committing the violent crimes are met.

Here is what I base that contention on:

I subscribe to the school of thought that all humans have certain basic needs. We are universally the same in that way. Where we run into problems and conflict is when our strategies employed and actions taken to meet those needs clash.
Some of these universal needs include:

• air
• water
• food
• shelter
• rest
• freedom
• purpose
• safety
• justice
• dignity

There are many other universal needs, in addition to the ones above. To the extent that our society's/world's operating systems are just, balanced and in support of universal needs being met, there will be less needs-based crime -- violent or otherwise.

Furthermore, I think life is "cheap" in many of the places where violent crime is concentrated. This is the message that permeates those places, places which are also consistently economically depressed. Those with resources observe from afar, concerned just to the extent that their own interests are affected by the conditions in the violent places.

I think that the militaristic, hierarchical nature of geopolitics, and the scarcity mindset among the superpower nations -- which determines the way power is amassed, maintained and wielded -- filters down into relationships on smaller scales between people.

I'll start with those points.

Nothing wrong with these sentiments except for the fact they are at the 30,000 foot level. You state "I believe violent crime will diminish when the needs of the people committing the violent crimes are met."

So how should the needs of these people be met? What specific strategies/tactics/laws/policies do you advocate?

 

[holdover]

Well, there is all the gun control...

Leave it to you. ya got me there

 

[holdover]

We all have the need for purpose, safety and dignity. These are universal needs which supersede any attempt at sociopolitical organization, such as the Constitution.

There are no constitutional guarantees of Purpose, safety, or dignity. Or food or water for that matter.

 

[spat]

There are no constitutional guarantees of Purpose, safety, or dignity. Or food or water for that matter.

That's because the government has no business being involved with that stuff.

But that doesn't mean they aren't basic human needs that the government shouldn't be interfering with.

And as usual, leftist policies are hurting the very people they purport to help.