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Info on red flags, and the efforts to encourage their use
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Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
These are dangerous, and I expect more bad things as their use is expanded, and the people who are allowed to petition for them is expanded.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I already know how to reply to the bullshit questions when I visit my PCP.
"Everything is great!" is the only acceptable answer. 1984 shit.
"Everything is great!" is the only acceptable answer. 1984 shit.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
So if I run a VD clinic I can have the state cut off your dick? Cool!!!!
Robin
Robin
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Yeah, thats a pretty broad range. Reminds me of the anti-gunners that love to include suicides in their "violence" stats.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I believe in NYS that extreme risk protection order or "red flag" laws as they are commonly called have law enforcement officers, family members, and school officials as those who are permitted to file them. Doctors/medical professionals are not listed. For the record, none have come before my desk (though they might go to the County level). Barring any strong evidence that the individual was about to commit an offense I would never sign one. I rarely do it with regular Orders of Protection and I've done more of those than I care to discuss.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, 1 in 20 ?
Dear XXXX,
Below is a letter I received. I take free courses online through Coursera, and listed firearms as one of my subjects of interest. So I receive pings when courses/learning becomes available on the subject through Coursera. This came into my inbox today.
Did you know that clinicians can petition for Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPO)?
We just released a new learning activity on What Clinicians Need to Know, available now under ERPO FAQ on the Implement ERPO site – a one-stop-shop for all things ERPO – hosted by the Bloomberg American Health Initiative. This tool provides step-by-step instruction from leading subject matter experts and features simulated patient-clinician encounters modeling effective counseling strategies. What’s more—What Clinicians Need to Know is eligible for CME credits! Interested clinicians can process CME credit here.
Evidence shows that 1 life is saved for every 10-20 ERPOs issued. ERPOs are legally issued civil orders that allow people on the front lines to ask a court to prevent someone at imminent risk of harm to themselves or others from purchasing or possessing firearms during a critical period of danger.
As of April 2020, ERPO laws are active in 19 states and the District of Columbia. In 2018, Maryland became the first state to designate clinicians as authorized petitioners and since then, Hawaii and D.C. have followed suit. Clinicians in these states can improve their standards of care and impact national efforts to reduce deaths from firearm violence, including gun suicide, with ERPOs part of their toolkit.
As several states currently consider ERPOs for the first time and others update existing legislation, the early experiences of clinician petitioners provide key insight for future implementation. A recent survey of Hopkins physicians found 70% of respondents initially reported being unfamiliar with ERPOs. But after receiving a brief description of ERPOs, 92% reported that they encounter patients for whom they would consider an ERPO petition and 60% indicated they would be likely to file an ERPO petition for qualifying patients.
Whether you are a medical, mental health, and/or public health practitioner/advocate/educator, you are part of a broader community that can benefit from learning more about what ERPO laws are, why we need them, and how they work. We invite you to explore What Clinicians Need to Know and encourage you to share this evidence-based strategy with others to further advance our collective mission to enhance public safety and improve public health for all.
Please contact us at gunpolicy@jhu.edu with questions and thank you again for your support!
Keep well,
Your friends at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy & Research
That's 5%
Probable means more likely than not, i.e. greater than 50%.
Sounds like even without all the other constitutional rights issues, these fail the basic "probable cause" requirements.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Evidence shows every new gun law leads to between 0 and 20 genocides.
Stop the assault legislation, it's common sense, for the children.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Medical professionals have a different entry point into the system. They have the ability to report a patient directly to the state, which bounces around between various state agencies and then comes down from there. This was implemented as part of the original SAFE Act in 2013.
Ever see your doctor's view of your electronic medical records? There's a huge button on the main screen that takes them directly to the reporting portal.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So according to the article, making people defenseless, costing them time, money and inconvenience, along with VIOLATING THEIR RIGHTS, is an acceptable solution to possibly help someone.
To me, thats fucking ridiculous, and surely there are better ways to deal with potentially bad people than to trample the Constitutional rights of citizens.
To me, thats fucking ridiculous, and surely there are better ways to deal with potentially bad people than to trample the Constitutional rights of citizens.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You're right. I forgot about that. I know that's true for mental health providers but wouldn't be surprised that regular physicians are the same.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The thing that drives me up the wall is that it is so easy to have your guns seized in NY and nearly impossible to get them back. I had a case a few months ago that started probably about a year ago with a previous judge in my town. The woman had an order of protection filed against her and her her guns seized (and from the case notes it was a fairly substantial collection). When the case came before me it was basically wrapped up and she accepted a plea deal to a rather minor offense. She asked to get her guns back and I had to give her the bad news that she had to go to Superior Court and petition them to get them returned. Yeah, good luck with that.
As a judge I'm allowed to take your guns for just about any reason. If we're granting the judicial branch in this state that authority we should also grant them the authority to return them just as easily.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Can confirm.
My primary care physician and I have discussed this at length. We're members of the same gun club
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
These same "clinicians" here in NY got many names but I know one and works for the major health organization as a social worker. Sort of like the analogy of a PA to a Doctor, they handle all the light work for the Psychologist. Seems adding to this pile with be the state federals requirement in new bills will be the mental evaluation and this will add to their workload and let the true problem people slide by. Anyways, the job burns them out for low pay. They churn these people out at the UofB. Anyways, I have to remind a certain one who I started on shooting with a 10/22 quickly forgot about that wimpy thing when we got on to the Mini-14, she still wants from my collection, to remember, we are not getting on any trains.
Definitely.
It's important to understand the different fronts that the prohibitionists are operating on. This "course" is an instruction manual on seizing guns and is being presented as a politically neutral piece of information sharing.