INT 1553-2019 passes

[gunpoliticsny]

INT 1553-2019 passes.

 

[togmaster]

So this is a NYC thing. Most likely unconstitutional like the rest of their gun laws.

 

[GOYABEAN]

INT 1553-2019 passes.

 

[kev74]

“Unfinished frame or receiver.” A piece of any material that does not constitute the frame or receiver of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or assault weapon but that has been shaped or formed in any way for the purpose of becoming the frame or receiver of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or assault weapon with modification by the user and that is not engraved with a serial number that meets or exceeds requirements pursuant to subsection (i) of section 923 of title 18 of the United States code and regulations issued pursuant thereto.

They banned this....

Good work fellas!

 

[BDinPutnam]

They banned this....

Good work fellas!

Fake butter?

Those fiends!

Kidding. I hope to hell someone does get popped for this, I dont think even the second circus could uphold this.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

0 lives saved.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

They banned this....

Good work fellas!

This must be the 0% lower i have never heard of. Simply turn it into an "assault weapon" with your everyday, ordinary household 5 axis cnc machine kitchen appliance.
Anyone want to buy serialized aluminum bar stock? I will only charge you slightly more than a stripped lower from your ffl, but can justify it due to the risk of using the "BGC loophole".

 

[GOPerfect]

Awesome, keep the laws coming... Pass more and more and more.,

 

[spat]

If I read this correctly, they just need to have a properly engraved serial number to be legal.

There is no requirement for the serial number to be unique or recorded anywhere ?

Can all the 80% vendors just stamp "FUAC1" on the side of every receiver and then ship them as normal ?

 

[Grimscale]

Can all the 80% vendors just stamp "FUAC1" on the side of every receiver and then ship them as normal ?

No. Once it has a serial number it is a firearm and will require a background check and, ultimately, registration.

 

[BDinPutnam]

No. Once it has a serial number it is a firearm and will require a background check and, ultimately, registration.

Exactly.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

No. Once it has a serial number it is a firearm and will require a background check and, ultimately, registration.

How does stamping numbers on a block of metal turn it into a firearm? I thought the way it worked is that a certain amount of the "would be" receiver had to be milled out in order to be considered a receiver by the ATF. This is why an 80% lower can even look like a receiver, yet still be considered a block of metal and not a firearm. A serialized 80% receiver or block of metal, it just that, a block of metal. It's not a firearm until it can receive all the components to make it funtional.

 

[BDinPutnam]

One executive order coming right up, @ArmedCorgi.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Yeah yeah.

 

[spat]

No. Once it has a serial number it is a firearm and will require a background check and, ultimately, registration.

I'm pretty sure you can sell a block of aluminum with a number stamped on the side without any paperwork at all. Even if the block is "80%" of the way to being a receiver the numbers alone won't push it over the edge.

A mark with a sharpie showing where to drill the holes for the FCG pins would, but some text alone shouldn't do it. They sell 80%s with all sorts of stuff pre-engraved now.

I see nothing in the text of this law that says an 80% is a firearm, and nothing in any law that says adding some random text would change that. All this law says is that if it's going to be a firearm eventually the first step has to be the serial number.

The whole purpose of an 80% is to *eventually* turn it into a firearm anyway (federal definition not NY). The only real reason to start with an 80% is to DIY something custom, or avoid a papertrail.


Now the real kicker here is for a legit FFL. How do you put the serial number on before *any* other forming steps? Read literally you would have to have the serial number cast into the receiver blank at the time of the pour, and that's only if you don't count melting the raw metal a forming step.

 

[fresch]

At the nuke plant we stamp metals with id#s all the time, hope the plant has registered all the ids. to the gov!

 

[Vapor]

Sooo for now it's just nyc...

 

[S&W Fan]

They banned this....

Good work fellas!

So in essence they outlawed a billet? Fucking mental midgets.

 

[ProgSpear]

Actually they are banning the concept of “the rule of law”. Once everything is declared to be illegal, unless some bureaucrats provide an indulgence, the law is meaningless.

 

[Saltwater60]

Just a matter of time for the rest of NYS. This is coming this legislative session. Also seem the only banned 80% lowers not completed 80% lowers.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

A completed 80% lower is a firearm. The only way this would be able to be challenged is if some poor schmuck got caught with one in a NY legal configuration, and enough sympathetic people stepped in to fund their defense. Next, mfg's will have to buy enormous, unaffordable blocks of serial #'s from .gov. Everything without an authorized (registered) serial number will be illegal regardless of age or type or who built it.

 

[BDinPutnam]

If you serialized an 80%, how is it a "firearm" per ATF (note: I am talking prior to completing it)?

 

[Celt]

"This will help keep our streets safer"..pfft, wxactly how many 80% guns have been used in crimes? I bet none.

 

[Blimey]

How does stamping numbers on a block of metal turn it into a firearm? I thought the way it worked is that a certain amount of the "would be" receiver had to be milled out in order to be considered a receiver by the ATF. This is why an 80% lower can even look like a receiver, yet still be considered a block of metal and not a firearm. A serialized 80% receiver or block of metal, it just that, a block of metal. It's not a firearm until it can receive all the components to make it funtional.

etch 001 onto a boulder and now you’ve made it a gun.

 

[Kuntryquesttsi]

Is this NYC only or all of NY?
Also are the tax payers footing the bill to buy these back?

 

[BDinPutnam]

"This will help keep our streets safer"..pfft, wxactly how many 80% guns have been used in crimes? I bet none.

Brazilians.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go fade into Bolivia.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

NYC bill

 

[spat]

A completed 80% lower is a firearm. The only way this would be able to be challenged is if some poor schmuck got caught with one in a NY legal configuration, and enough sympathetic people stepped in to fund their defense. Next, mfg's will have to buy enormous, unaffordable blocks of serial #'s from .gov. Everything without an authorized (registered) serial number will be illegal regardless of age or type or who built it.

You don't get serial #s from the government. You just make them up.

This law doesn't even require them to be unique, the manufacturer could just stamp 001 on everything and be covered.

The ignorance of the bill's authors has doomed it as usual.

PS. registration and serialization do nothing to stop gun crime anyway. The only time they are useful is tracking down stolen guns that have been reported by the rightful owner. That's why we don't record serial numbers on anything else.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I know you don't get them from the government. At least for now.

 

[Grimscale]

If you serialized an 80%, how is it a "firearm" per ATF (note: I am talking prior to completing it)?

Like .50 cal uppers?
Like bumpstocks?
Like suppressors?

It will be one because they SAY it is one.