Is "Constitutional Carry" safe & smart?

[nonconformist]

Having seen what passes for marksmanship at my CCW qual (a preBruen NYC CCW holder loading .32 into his .380 and inducing malfunctions, a another guy holding his glock with his support hand cupping the barrel and limp writing, no discernable groups at 4yds), I'm most certainly not lending my support to permitless carry.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Having seen what passes for marksmanship at my CCW qual (a preBruen NYC CCW holder loading .32 into his .380 and inducing malfunctions, a another guy holding his glock with his support hand cupping the barrel and limp writing, no discernable groups at 4yds), I'm most certainly not lending my support to permitless carry.

Sounds like their parents failed them.
Skip to the part where any of that is cause to limit ME.

 

[Jchrisls]

Having seen what passes for marksmanship at my CCW qual (a preBruen NYC CCW holder loading .32 into his .380 and inducing malfunctions, a another guy holding his glock with his support hand cupping the barrel and limp writing, no discernable groups at 4yds), I'm most certainly not lending my support to permitless carry.

The burden should rest squarely on the failing individual, not every individual

 

[Mr. terzmo]

"Constitutional Carry", are laws that allow anyone who can pass a NICS check any buy a handgun, to carry that handgun concealed/unconcealed with no further training, certification or permit required.

Personally, I 100% support the right of law abiding adults citizens to carry concealed weapons for protection, in public.

However, I prefer that such people KNOW the law regarding self-defense in their state. And I prefer that they actually KNOW how to use a handgun in self defense.

I see nothing wrong with requiring a class to educate gun owners on the laws of self defense in their state. Sadly many folks are totally ignorant of such laws, and think its legal to shoot people in situations that are actually NOT legal, and can get you thrown in jail for a long time. I see nothing wrong with requiring a 2 hour, or 3 hour, or whatever hour class is required to fully instruct the legalities of lethal self defense in their state, and an exam to make sure they get it.

And a 1 hour field test to make sure they know how to load and shoot a handgun safely.

Again, I know many folks believe that such training is NOT required by the Constitution. I get that. But that's not my question. My question is, is such training SMART? And I think it is.

This is NOT about undo burdens upon gun owners. Im talking class times only long enough to sufficiently teach these things. Not 35 hour courses. Minimal time frames. I cant imagine it would take more than say 4 hours to educate folks on self defense law.

How many lives might this save? How many good people might be kept out of prison? I say 1 a year is good enough for me.

And price? Should all be funded by the govt. Including the classes, the permit and the ammo.

Anything "mandatory" infringes upon the 2nd. Voluntarily is the proper way.

 

[Tisto]

Sounds like their parents failed them.
Skip to the part where any of that is cause to limit ME.

He's equating the lack of marksmanship in the few people he has observed and projecting it upon the whole of the population.

'These people over here can't hit a barn if they're standing inside it, so that means that most people shoot just as poorly. There's no way that they should just be left to carry a gun without permission'

His "logic" is flawed, of course, but I find it much more problematic that his lack of constitutional awareness and the concern of it is overpowered by his desire to have government ensure his (and everyone else's ) safety through regulations.

 

[DoOver]

He's equating the lack of marksmanship in the few people he has observed and projecting it upon the whole of the population.

'These people over here can't hit a barn if they're standing inside it, so that means that most people shoot just as poorly. There's no way that they should just be left to carry a gun without permission'

His "logic" is flawed, of course, but I find it much more problematic that his lack of constitutional awareness and the concern of it is overpowered by his desire to have government ensure his (and everyone else's ) safety through regulations.

Well, shim's a FUDD......sooooo

 

[dsdmmat]

Having seen what passes for marksmanship at my CCW qual (a preBruen NYC CCW holder loading .32 into his .380 and inducing malfunctions, a another guy holding his glock with his support hand cupping the barrel and limp writing, no discernable groups at 4yds), I'm most certainly not lending my support to permitless carry.

I am sure there is someone who can look at your gun handling, shooting skills and say nope don’t let that guy have a gun. There is always someone more knowledgeable and skillful around the corner.

with right come responsibilities. It is a good thing. More people need to take things seriously. It is an adult thing, which is seriously lacking in this country,

 

[ManualF150]

I am sure there is someone who can look at your gun handling, shooting skills and say nope don’t let that guy have a gun. There is always someone more knowledgeable and skillful around the corner.

with right come responsibilities. It is a good thing. More people need to take things seriously. It is an adult thing, which is seriously lacking in this country,

I'll admit I'm not the best shooter out there, but I will take people's advise as long as it makes provable sense.

I've received some excellent advice over the years to make my skills better.

 

[Tisto]

I was going to say something about his proximity to the Rotten Apple and how the air or the water destroys everyone's ability to think rationally, but I thought the one or two people that aren't afflicted with that problem would take offense.


But there really is a HUGE difference in the views of those in the greater Rotten Apple area and the rest of us...

 

[Tisto]

Well, shim's a FUDD......sooooo

Ok, how did that happen ? This was supposed to be quoted in the last post.....

 

[DoOver]

Ok, how did that happen ? This was supposed to be quoted in the last post.....

I posted it a little differently and then edited it.

 

[DoOver]

I was going to say something about his proximity to the Rotten Apple and how the air or the water destroys everyone's ability to think rationally, but I thought the one or two people that aren't afflicted with that problem would take offense.


But there really is a HUGE difference in the views of those in the greater Rotten Apple area and the rest of us...

Well, I do employ the East Branch of The Delaware River as mi own personal latrine....soooo

 

[Tisto]

Well, I do employ the East Branch of The Delaware River as mi own personal latrine....soooo

Thankfully I live closer to Cleveland than Manhattan...

As for the other post, it was supposed to show up in my response, but somehow showed up as a seperate post, in which I edeted it to ask the question how that happened.

 

[Darth]

I just met a 24 year old (married) man who was worried about sex with his wonderful pregnant wife while she's pregnant, because he doesn't want her to get pregnant again while already pregnant.

So to your point, lol.

Better than the one I heard about the guy being nervous the little hand might grab his head.

 

[Acer-m14]

South Side of Chiraq will be holding live firearms training next weekend .. no cost ..

 

[spat]

Having seen what passes for marksmanship at my CCW qual (a preBruen NYC CCW holder loading .32 into his .380 and inducing malfunctions, a another guy holding his glock with his support hand cupping the barrel and limp writing, no discernable groups at 4yds), I'm most certainly not lending my support to permitless carry.

It works fine in most of the country.

You sound like the guy who says "if they don't do vehicle inspections people will be driving around without brakes all the time" despite the fact that other states do it, and it isn't a problem.