Is NY a 2nd Amend. l lost cause ??

[holdover]

Lost cause? Unless something drastic changes, Yes.

Had NY followed 250 years of established law and the interpreted the meaning of infringement honestly , We wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

We are dealing with a corrupt system , corrupt politician's, corrupt courts, and a flagrant disregard of the constitution. And if anyone thinks we will have justice in a kangaroo court , they are in for a disappointment.

 

[Cooolone]

1st problem is the Constitution of the State of NY does not contain a 2nd Amendment.

Start there... Oh wait, that's right, all the idiots on the State bought into the garage spewed by the Progressive Liberal machine that opening the Constitution for a convention to amend it would not be in the public's interest... So kiss that goodbye.

Plan on continued nibbling away and defacto denial of your Rights by grievous judiciary action taken by judges who love to legislate from the bench in NY. Who could blame them though, because the moderate republicans that might as well be democrats in this State will "Never" go the party line! They're a bunch of bought off mental misfits playing around with your Rights so they can stay in the game as long as possible! Nothing's changed without term limits on the State and at the Federal level. And nothing changes as long as SCOTUS allows medium scrutiny to be applied to the 2nd...

That's all...

/end rant

 

[GOPerfect]

To answer the question...

No, absolutely not a lost cause. Far from it.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[dwa12479]

Federal laws won't help because they leave it up to the states. SCOTUS ruling certain things unconstitutional is the only thing that is going to help us and stop the infringements from spreading to other states like what is happening now.

Correct, this needs to get to SCOTUS, but you've missed my point. This will never get to SCOTUS until the rest of the country has a reason to start filing suits of their own (right now they're just laughing at us. ), instead of just NY, NJ, and CA for the most part. Our silly NYSRPA case that is shelved right now was doomed from the start.

 

[nortatoga]

1st problem is the Constitution of the State of NY does not contain a 2nd Amendment.

Start there... Oh wait, that's right, all the idiots on the State bought into the garage spewed by the Progressive Liberal machine that opening the Constitution for a convention to amend it would not be in the public's interest... So kiss that goodbye.

Plan on continued nibbling away and defacto denial of your Rights by grievous judiciary action taken by judges who love to legislate from the bench in NY. Who could blame them though, because the moderate republicans that might as well be democrats in this State will "Never" go the party line! They're a bunch of bought off mental misfits playing around with your Rights so they can stay in the game as long as possible! Nothing's changed without term limits on the State and at the Federal level. And nothing changes as long as SCOTUS allows medium scrutiny to be applied to the 2nd...

That's all...

/end rant

You are correct it is not in the State Constitution, it is in the Civil Rights Bill of Rights.

New York State Civil Rights Law | Article 2 | Bill of Rights


S 4. Right to keep and bear arms. A well regulated militia being
necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to
keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.

 

[livingston]

If someday we could take control of Albany and folks elected have the guts to repeal the safe act .. Then all is not lost... This is the only way we will get rid of it... ... Until then we will be stuck with the safe act ... and all the next dozen versions ... Yes dozen.... My ball into the future says a year from now we will be saying on this forum ....I long for the days of the safe act... Myself ... Micro stamping all that California stuff will be pushed ... Myself ... in the state of Oregon someone was pushing a 5 round mag ... for all guns ... This is where they will hit us ... 5 round for hunting ... 5 round all year long for every auto loader. .. The only reason that 7 round was thrown out was spelling.. .... This would make revolvers more attractive to gun owners .. ... 6 round capacity for most... and in the eyes of the anti's less firepower on the street. .. I could be wrong. Of course we will be able to keep all our auto loaders ... Just have to have everything pinned .. To 5 rounds .. ... No one would be taking away one's guns ... They will say...

 

[livingston]

Oregon bill would cap magazines to 5 rds, ration ammo to 20 rds/month
Legislation submitted in the Democrat-controlled Oregon legislature would fundamentally change the state’s firearm laws, recasting them as the most restrictive in the country.

State Sen. Rob Wagner has submitted SB 501 for the upcoming session. Wagner’s bill would require licensing for gun owners prior to purchase, outlaw firearm magazines capable of holding more than five rounds and limit individual ammunition sales to no more than 20 rounds every 30 days.

Wagner conceded to local media that it was “probably a long shot that something like this passes in whole cloth,” but is proceeding with the measure on behalf of a group of student gun control advocates. A Portland-area Democrat, Wagner was endorsed by New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown group who also contributed directly to his campaign last fall.

Besides its restrictions on ammunition and requirements for licensing, SB 501 would also mandate that background checks be delayed for 14-days so that state police can research would-be buyers, fine gun owners who failed to report lost or stolen firearms and require guns be locked up when not in use. There would be no grandfathering of magazines affected by the ban.

The bill is strongly opposed by both state and national gun rights groups as well as Republicans in the legislature.

“Oregonians need to show up at the Capitol and express their concern over their personal safety and the harm caused by this kind of legislation,” said Rep. Bill Post, R-Keizer, who went on to point out that everyone from hunters unable to meet their allowed bag limit due to lack of ammo to gun owners who would have their now-legal firearms outlawed had skin in the game.

“That means your old six shot revolver would be required to be turned in or destroyed,” said Post.

While Washington, D.C., nine U.S. states, and a number of municipalities have arbitrary restrictions on magazine capacity, none would set the bar as low as Oregon’s proposed law. When New York adopted a seven round restriction as part of their SAFE Act in 2013, a federal judge overturned it the next year, saying that it violated the Second Amendment, leaving many counties in the Empire State to stop enforcing it.

Democrats enjoy a super-majority in both the Oregon House and Senate and have muscled several anti-gun bills through Salem to the waiting desk of fellow Dem, Gov. Kate Brown. Brown, who has in the past directed state police to track and analyze gun transactions, while urging Congress to ban “assault weapons” and enact no fly/no buy legislation, picked up a $250,000 donation from Bloomberg in 2016.

Oregon bill would cap magazines to 5 rds, ration ammo to 20 rds/month

 

[RDN]

Other than these 2 scenarios, yes, it is as gone as a thin fart in a hurricane. This is what happens when Marxists/Nazis (take your pick) are elected by retards.

Example - look what happen in Queens NYC. The retarded (not special needs) Socialist STOPPED Amazon's HQ bid and 25000+ jobs.

 

[RDN]

The only hope I see for NY State is to split from NY City and perhaps Long Island too and become a new state.

Agreed I've traveled to parts of Upstate and It's beautiful. I know most of NY is a good decent place and only NYC / Long Island and lower NY is the main cesspool.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Bustedknees]

NRA-ILA | Breaking! Federal Court Finds California Magazine Ban Violates the Second Amendment

 

[Twogunwilly]

NRA-ILA | Breaking! Federal Court Finds California Magazine Ban Violates the Second Amendment

This needs it's own thread!

 

[Bustedknees]

This needs it's own thread!

oddly enough I searched for a simple " safe act " thread and there isn't one..

 

[Twogunwilly]

oddly enough I searched for a simple " safe act " thread and there isn't one..

what's that?

 

[mca90guitar]

I think it's here to stay and just hope it doesn't get worse. I'm just hoping PA doesn't fall so I can move there and still be close to family.

 

[meketrefe]

I am thinking, if NY itself cannot be saved, imagine anything depending on it!

 

[Bustedknees]

This needs it's own thread!

And just like that , there's at least 3 of them now

 

[Bigfoot]

I think it's here to stay and just hope it doesn't get worse. I'm just hoping PA doesn't fall so I can move there and still be close to family.

The future of a healthy 2A in PA appears to be sketchy. IMHO

Would North East Ohio work for you?
The Ohio legislature actually took some gun control laws OFF of the books this past year.

For an example,
The 30-round limitation on magazine capacity has been deleted. Prior Ohio law indicated any firearm with more than 30 rounds in it was considered to be an “automatic weapon”. ... Ohioans can carry with a non-resident license in Ohio as long as the state that issued their non-resident license has reciprocity with Ohio.

And there were also some other "people control" laws that Ohio did away with... IIRC