Israeli war. Palestine war. Middle East war. Not sure what they will call it. Wanted to do a poll in regards to this newest and updated conflict.
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Thank you for the compliment. And ditto to you good sir.
Acer-m14
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WW3 or its Armageddon
I'll read Revelation again and let you know.
Bigfoot
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Watching it unfold...
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Votes for Israel and just watching it unfold.
I voted for Israel because attacking innocent people and being child raping goat fucker should prove that those people, meaning muslim terrorists, should be extinct. They are the worst of the human race.
Second I voted for just watching it unfold because of so many reasons. Ukraine, Syria, our southern border, our debt, we never finish a fight any more, we pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq, so on and so on. Finally Israel is a big boy and can take care of business. They don't need our help. The only reason we should be there is to evac our people.
Though I wouldn't say no to some intelligences support if hamas did kidnap and kill US citizens.
Also a little house keeping. Everyone of those goatfuckers in the US streets chanting and cheering for hamas should be thrown the fuck out, send them right to Gaza.
I voted for Israel because attacking innocent people and being child raping goat fucker should prove that those people, meaning muslim terrorists, should be extinct. They are the worst of the human race.
Second I voted for just watching it unfold because of so many reasons. Ukraine, Syria, our southern border, our debt, we never finish a fight any more, we pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq, so on and so on. Finally Israel is a big boy and can take care of business. They don't need our help. The only reason we should be there is to evac our people.
Though I wouldn't say no to some intelligences support if hamas did kidnap and kill US citizens.
Also a little house keeping. Everyone of those goatfuckers in the US streets chanting and cheering for hamas should be thrown the fuck out, send them right to Gaza.
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Phazer
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Acceptable sentiment. But, you must concede that they have the right to peacefully protest.
Personally, I do not want white supremacists, racists, antisemites, and anti-American groups plotting in the dark. I want them out in the open and communicating on social media so that we can most easily identify the enemies of our republic.
BTW - I'm sure the radicals on the Left think the same way about us.
One big difference my side doesn't cheer on the mass murder and rape of innocent people and children. I am very close to apply my political strategy to these terrorist scrum. I like when my side wins and their side loses, period, end of statement.
Dr. Evil
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After much thought and looking at my list I am thinking the White Christian was Chev. Carry on.
spat
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The constitution is a compact.
An agreement that certain rights are sacrosanct, and should not be violated.
It's basically like an arms control treaty.
But when the "other side" breaks the treaty, you are a fool to still abide it yourself.
The correct response is to make them regret their decision, and beg to re-instate the detant. Until they are so beaten, they will not hesitate to violate your rights at any opportunity.
Phazer
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I would never imply that you did.
I merely implied that we should not curtail constitutional rights here in the U.S. Citizens have a right to be stupid, belligerent, offensive, and even socially intolerable. As long as they are peaceful, though boisterous, we can only take pictures and names.... for now.
Phazer
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Of course.
I'm only referring to speech, not actions.
Once the subhuman cretins move from words to deeds, or even credible threats, then no response is off the table.
spat
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Yes, and that sentiment goes for speech too.
They created "cancel culture". It needs to be turned back on them until they recognize why free speech is important once again.
We should dig up Joe McCarthy and set him loose on the left once again.
I don't disagree but how many of those people are US citizens and how many are sleeper cells? You want to cheer on the hamas soccer team by all means. But when you go against our way of life you go against The Constitution the fabric that makes up this great country. If we allows this it dilutes who we are and minimizes our way of life.
You can't be pro freedom, liberty and justice but also be for murder, rape and torture. Sorry can't have it both ways.
Except that's not how it actually works. The constitution if great in theory and in practice. The only problem is we collectively as the usa don't actually practice it.
I certainly don't think everything Israel has done is good or right or in alignment with US interests.
But I also do think Israel is a civilized, "western" country that more or less aligns with US values at least far more than Hamas and Hezbollah do.
I also think Israel is fighting absolute barbarian savages.
I support Israel. And I hope they wipe the savages out. They are a plague on civilization.
The old adage of "we shield our children, while they use children to shield themselves" is true.
I want to stay out of it as best as we can with the exception of sending in Delta force to rescue Americans being held hostage, then support Israel with any needed satellite Intel or hands off assistance. If Iran or etc attack Israel though then its going to get really bad.
But I also do think Israel is a civilized, "western" country that more or less aligns with US values at least far more than Hamas and Hezbollah do.
I also think Israel is fighting absolute barbarian savages.
I support Israel. And I hope they wipe the savages out. They are a plague on civilization.
The old adage of "we shield our children, while they use children to shield themselves" is true.
I want to stay out of it as best as we can with the exception of sending in Delta force to rescue Americans being held hostage, then support Israel with any needed satellite Intel or hands off assistance. If Iran or etc attack Israel though then its going to get really bad.
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spat
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Yes, and since it is the sole source of legitimate government power, what does that mean ?
As I said before, if you have a treaty, but the other side pulls out of it, you'd be a fool to hold yourself to it as well.
Following the back and forth on this.
Philosophically I agree. BUT I don't think anyone should forget the mindset of these people.
Their violence is considered protest.
Our protest is considered violence.
And our silence is violence.
All of the professional protest groups have aligned with Hamas and we have seen how their mob mentality OPS are conducted. The unknown variable added to that mix are the insurgents that have been allowed here. The synergy between the two groups will be key. I can easily envision these protests turning into the typical smash and grab riots we've now become accustomed and desensitized and then used as a jumping pad for the real deadly attacks.
Hochul and Adams have both condemned these protests, but yet they have been allowed to proceed. OK great that they are honoring the 1A, but it's really a tough ask to believe they'd similarly acquiesce to a Trump rally of the same magnitude through Times Square. I just don't see it. Meanwhile, they are trying to make us as defenseless as Israelis civilians were. If they truly cared, at the very least they'd drop the carry restrictions of the CCIA.
So, for the moment I'd say our posture should be weapons at the ready, chambered, safeties on....metaphorically speaking of course.
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Dr. Evil
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When is the poll guessing who Mr. 2.2% is? I have my suspicions lol.
spat
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The bottom line is that Israeli culture can coexist with other western cultures.
The people they are fighting cannot.
It's not about who is "better" or who has "moral superiority".
We are at the point of who will be still around in 50 years and who will not. It's clear the answer cannot be "both sides".
Phazer
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Time will tell. Keep in mind that historically, the following have all tried to extinguish the Jews:
- Egyptian kings
- Roman Empire
- Spanish Inquisition
- Czars
- Third Reich
Banderovites are still around. Dug up from the sewer of history and resurrected by U.S.
Phazer
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mgunner
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I think killing civilians on either side is evil. Not all Palestinians are terrorists and not all Jewish people have supported Israel's actions over the years. Both have a right to exist. But when you have a terrorist group like Hamas running things, what can the civilians in that country do? They fear Hamas, they fear Israel, and they have no real means to defend themselves from either. They are right in the middle. They are killed by Hamas and when they aren't being killed by Hamas, they are being killed by Israel.
Several years ago, there was a video on YouTube when an American or British Journalist who went over to Israel and to Gaza to speak to the people. Jewish people were hanging out with Palestinian friends and every Palestinian and Jewish person they spoke to said the same thing. They don't hate each other, they hate what the governments do to them. They interviewed people in their 20's to people in their 70's. So, it's not the civilians on either side that are to blame, it's Hamas and the Israeli government; the civilians on both sides are the ones that suffer the violent actions of those that are in power over those countries.
I don't know the answer. The only thing I can think of is if America and allied countries had the resolve to try and work with the Palestinian people to remove Hamas and set up a democratic government for the Palestinians. Japan and Germany were our enemies at one time, and the idea of being friends with Japan or Germany for that generation of Americans seemed an impossibility. But we were able to set up governments and they have been allies for decades.
Over the years there were talks about setting up a Palestinian state, but then Hamas commits acts of violence against the Palestinians and Israelis and that effectively ends the talks. We would need a different strategy. Hamas would have to be removed first, before any talk of a Palestinian state could succeed. And we and our allies would have to be committed to see the transfer of power through free elections for the Palestinian people and help set up a democratic government for a Palestinian State.
Several years ago, there was a video on YouTube when an American or British Journalist who went over to Israel and to Gaza to speak to the people. Jewish people were hanging out with Palestinian friends and every Palestinian and Jewish person they spoke to said the same thing. They don't hate each other, they hate what the governments do to them. They interviewed people in their 20's to people in their 70's. So, it's not the civilians on either side that are to blame, it's Hamas and the Israeli government; the civilians on both sides are the ones that suffer the violent actions of those that are in power over those countries.
I don't know the answer. The only thing I can think of is if America and allied countries had the resolve to try and work with the Palestinian people to remove Hamas and set up a democratic government for the Palestinians. Japan and Germany were our enemies at one time, and the idea of being friends with Japan or Germany for that generation of Americans seemed an impossibility. But we were able to set up governments and they have been allies for decades.
Over the years there were talks about setting up a Palestinian state, but then Hamas commits acts of violence against the Palestinians and Israelis and that effectively ends the talks. We would need a different strategy. Hamas would have to be removed first, before any talk of a Palestinian state could succeed. And we and our allies would have to be committed to see the transfer of power through free elections for the Palestinian people and help set up a democratic government for a Palestinian State.
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
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Why should "we" do anything at all?
And what would a democratic government do for a Palestinian state?
I have a feeling this is just a CIA attempt at a coup to remove Netanyahu. We'll probably know in 10 years.
mgunner
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Then we should stop funding the Israeli government and stay completely out of it.
I mentioned what a democratic government might do using Japan and Germany as an example. Just giving an opinion for this poll.
Yes!
We, the people of the United States, should stop giving money to foreign nations period.
None of our money should be going to any foreign entity.
If a Nation cannot make it without our money, tough shit. Fail.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
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Biden says Netanyahu must change, Israel losing global support
U.S. President Joe Biden said on Tuesday that Israel is losing support over its "indiscriminate" bombing of Gaza and that Benjamin Netanyahu should change, exposing a new rift in relations with the Israeli prime minister.
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